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Scale of new Portsmouth nightclub raises concerns

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PORTSMOUTH

If Charles Greenhood's vision comes true, Olde Towne will soon have one of the coolest, biggest nightclubs in Hampton Roads.

But as word spreads about Mansion, so does concern among residents about unruly patrons and an influx of vehicles. The three-story venue, which Greenhood plans to open in mid-December, could hold close to 1,000 people, staff included.

"Soon to be the largest club in South Eastern Virginia," crowed an early version of Mansion's website.

Peter Youngblood, president of the Olde Towne Civic League, said he's talked to about a dozen residents about the club and has been approached by the owners of three restaurants on High Street.

"It's been universal concern," he said.

Greenhood, who is working with business partner Terry Webb, formerly of Entourage in Norfolk, urged skeptics to wait and see the final product.

"Then judge us," he said.

He estimated Mansion has cost $1 million and said it will double as a private banquet hall above Brutti's, his restaurant and catering business on Court Street. He blamed another local restaurant/bar owner with spreading rumors to stir opposition.

City Council members are questioning his plans. In October 2008, they unanimously approved his request for a use permit to open an "entertainment establishment" above Brutti's.

Councilmen Steve Heretick and Bill Moody Jr. said they and others believed they were approving a permit for a banquet hall, something where weddings, meetings and other events would be held. The permit request also sailed through the Planning Commission.

"Nobody had concerns with it at the time," Heretick said. "Again, I think we all pretty much accepted this was going to be a banquet facility for occasional use, not the biggest nightclub in South Hampton Roads for continuous use."

Greenhood said banquets will be a large part of Mansion, and he said city planning staff knew what he intended to do with the permit. In July 2008, he wrote a letter to the planning department about his request.

"This entertainment will include, however, not be limited to... stand-up comedy, recitals, musical performances both public and private and live bands or DJ's for receptions, parties, weddings and Bar & Bat Mitzvahs as well as many other functions too numerous to list," he wrote.

Nightclubs are a sensitive proposition in Olde Towne. Longtime residents remember David's II, a club on High Street that the city shut down in 1994 after problems with large crowds and noise. In one incident, a crowd pushed through a glass-block facade while waiting to get in.

Greenhood, a Portsmouth resident, lived in Olde Towne when David's II was open.

"I remember when David's went nuts," he said. "I remember that it was not well-managed at all."

Mansion will have private security inside and off-duty law enforcement outside, he said. The atmosphere inside will be "very, very sophisticated," something unlike anywhere else in Hampton Roads, he said. Music will vary, as will performers, which he promised would include significant acts.

"To take the enormity of what we're trying to accomplish here and compare us to David's, that's unfortunate," Greenhood said.

An early version of Mansion's website prominently featured two young women in tight, short dresses with a good amount of their cleavage showing. "It's Not a Party... it's a Lifestyle," it said. Visitors were told to follow the Mansion Party Bus.

The website was overhauled last week. The slogan and photo of the women were replaced with elegant photos of a dining table and food. All mentions of "club" are gone.

Greenhood called the website a work in progress and said he did not review the first version before it went live. The party bus is a marketing tool, he said.

To ease parking concerns, he has leased two floors from a nearby garage to use at night for valet parking, and he said a security guard will monitor each floor. A smaller lot across Court Street will hold more vehicles, he said.

The two garage floors will accommodate about 250 vehicles, said Jack Austin, the city's Parking Authority superintendant. It is the first time the authority has leased spots for valet parking, he said.

Fred Sanborn, who was Olde Towne Civic League president when the venue's permit request was approved, said Greenhood "has always been a good neighbor to Olde Towne and to the business community, and I don't see any reason why that would change."

But even if the venue is run well, the number of patrons could cause problems after they leave, Sanborn said. Still, he was cautiously hopeful Mansion would succeed.

"Now, if it turns out to be a nuisance, I'm getting my pitchfork and my lantern out," he said.

Dave Forster, (757) 446-2627, dave.forster@pilotonline.com

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Really

Ok people, Really. I don't see anyone complaining about Patty O'Brien's, Thumpers, or Roger Brown. These places are night clubs only they hide the fact under the name of Resturants. Has anyone really been into Roger Brown's after 9 o'clock lately. If so you would see things happening that clearly have been stated in some of these post. The same can be said about the other two businesses. I don't see anyone trying to protest their businesses though. Wake up people. We need businesses in out city. It time the people of old town realized they don't own the city just the property they purchased. They don't make all the decisions for the rest of us. They wouldn't be complaining about it if it was in my neighborhood.

Downtown Portsmouth

Folks,

I lived in Portsmouth since 1992...back when folks were afraid to walk up and down the streets. If you want to continue this tradition and NEVER have folks want to visit this great town...then continue the negativity. Unless this opportunity is given a chance, NO ONE will ever know what Portsmouth is capable of becoming. I am involved with a rather large professional organization that will be having its Annual Conference in Portsmouth in 2012. Having a place like Mansion, may very well be the catalyst needed for out-of-towners to WANT to visit. By the way...how many people actually LIVE within earshot of an establishment that might produce noise loud enough to hear. Just a thought. Give it a shot folks!

Get your head out of the sand!

For the naysayer it is never good to prejudge before you know all the facts. First trying to even consider this like David's II is not even close, but maybe compare it to the original Max location with a fine dining restaurant attached to a two level club with a dance floor, multiple bars, and private dining rooms. We who remember this agree that it was ten years ahead of its time, but a business owner then had a vision to raise the bar. This is what is happening now and you want to call out a friend and neighbor that you think you might know there is going to be problems. Call him and talk to him about it before you prejudge his vision. Let's talk facts though; we pay the highest taxes in HR. Why? The question is where are the businesses?

Better this than the Paper Moon

nudie bar that was planned for George Washington a couple of years back. If this has anywhere near the tone and quality of Brutti's, it will indeed be a successful business for Portsmouth. I wish you the very best of luck!

My two cents

I have worked for both of the owners and of them I can say this: Charles is a great boss, a canny business man and has been a boon to Portsmouth for years. His partner Terry on the other hand isn't these things. He has had three establishments that I know of and non of them have endured. As a business man...I question his practices and his wisdom. Terry dreams big and Charles has stood the test of time. Who knows? Perhaps with that combination of largess and sense it will work. I hope so. I DO know this. When I worked for both of these men the clients they catered to were always the sort of folk who could afford fine things and knew how to conduct themselves in such a setting. I don't see either of them tolerating the mess so many fear.

BE CAREFUL!!!!!

You better hope there are no incidents or city officials will move to shut you down and take over your establishment. Let waterside in Norfolk be your example. Government, government, they say they know what's best.

Well...

Waterside is a different story. It's owned by the city of Norfolk. It's also illegal to serve alcohol in Norfolk without a special exception from the city council in addition to the standard ABC license. Because the city council can cancel the special exception, Norfolk can pull the rug out from under any bar without ABC intervention. It doesn't work like that in Portsmouth.

actually, government is not

actually, government is not the enemy. it is the employees of the people doing what the people want. don't like it? change it! oh wait, you're (and most here) that want to tell portsmouth how to change aren't from portsmouth.

This Will Be A Class Act....

Charles Greenhood is an ethical businessman with an attention to detail that is second to none. His food, service,and presentation always keep the bar raised very high in Portsmouth and maybe...just maybe he has some other owners a little nervous.

Anyone remember the limo

Anyone remember the limo with the expired inspection and state plates he left in front of his resturaunt for months without moving it. Every now and then it would get a ticket, but he still wouldn't move it and the police wouldn't tow it. For those who boast of his stellar reputation I disagree, I believe he would mislead council. Funny, David's and David's II also had inside security and off duty law enforcement outside and they still had problems. Lastly, I ate at his place one time, took me two hours to get a couple of ok sandwiches-haven't and won't visit there again.

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