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Sens. Webb, Warner ready to repeal 'don't ask, don't tell'

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From staff and wire reports

WASHINGTON

The Senate is headed toward a landmark vote today on legislation that would let gays serve openly in the military, testing waning opposition among Republicans and putting Democrats within striking distance of overturning the "don't ask, don't tell" law.

Passage would be a historic victory for President Barack Obama, who made repeal of the 17-year-old law a campaign promise in 2008.

It also would be a political win for congressional Democrats who have struggled repeatedly in the final hours of the lame-duck session to overcome Republican objections.

Virginia's senators, both Democrats, appear ready to vote to repeal the law.

Sen. Mark Warner has signed on as a co-sponsor of the repeal measure, introduced by Sen. Joseph Lieberman, I-Conn.

"Senator Warner believes this is the right thing to do," Warner spokesman Kevin Hall said by e-mail Friday. "The military leadership has testified the repeal of this policy will not harm troop readiness or unit cohesion, and the House endorsed this stand-alone repeal by an overwhelmingly lopsided margin before sending it to the Senate."

Sen. Jim Webb said in an interview Friday with WTOP, a Washington radio station, that he would support repeal provided there is "sensitivity" toward how the change is implemented, particularly with regard to combat units.

"My understanding is that they're going to do this in a very measured way, and if that is the case, then I will vote to go forward with this," he said.

Webb, a decorated Vietnam War veteran and former Navy secretary, had reserved judgment on the issue until the Pentagon completed a study of how such a change would affect military readiness and effectiveness.

The study, released Nov. 30, concluded that there would be little negative impact from gays serving openly.

Lieberman told reporters that the measure was on "the brink of victory."

A procedural vote was expected by noon. If at least 60 senators vote to advance the bill as expected, the legislation could pass as early as late afternoon. Republicans could demand extended debate time, but early indications were that they may not draw out the process further.

Gay rights groups said today's vote is their best shot at changing the law because a new GOP-dominated Congress will take control in January.

Despite signs the bill was close to passage, advocates vowed to leave nothing up to chance and stepped up lobbying efforts in the hours before the vote, including a silent protest in the visitor seats overlooking the Senate floor.

"We simply cannot let the clock run out and lose this historic opportunity," said Aubrey Sarvis, executive director of the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, whose supporters vowed to sit in the Senate gallery until the law was repealed.

A small but vocal group of Republicans led by Sen. John McCain said the law shouldn't be changed during wartime.

Repeal would mean that gays could acknowledge their sexual orientation without fear of being kicked out of the military.

More than 13,500 service members have been dismissed under the 1993 law.

Under the bill, the president and his top military advisers - the defense secretary and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff - are required to certify to Congress that lifting the ban won't hurt troops' ability to fight. After that, 60 days must pass before any changes go into effect.

The House approved the bill earlier this week by a 250-174 vote. Senate passage would send the bill to the president's desk.

The Associated Press and Pilot writer Bill Sizemore contributed to this report.

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Moderator, is there a reason

Moderator, is there a reason all my posts are removed within a day or two??

This research brief

This research brief considers the historic impact of the US military’s “Don’t Ask/Don’t Tell” (DADT) policy on
women and racial/ethnic minorities. Enacted by the US Congress in 1993, Don’t Ask/Don’t Tell prohibits lesbian, gay, or bisexual men and women from disclosing their sexual orientation while they serve in the US military. Since 1993, more than 13,000 individuals have been discharged for violating the DADT policy.
Data presented in this
brief show that the proportion of women and racial/ethnic minorities among those discharges has increased over
time. In the late 1990s approximately a quarter of discharges were women and similar proportions were
racial/ethnic minorities. In recent years, those proportions have in

Overall dismissals have declined

The number of dismissals of gays has declined, but the proportion of women have increased, probably reflecting the increasing numbers of women entering the military.

This research brief

This research brief considers the historic impact of the US military’s “Don’t Ask/Don’t Tell” (DADT) policy on
women and racial/ethnic minorities. Enacted by the US Congress in 1993, Don’t Ask/Don’t Tell prohibits lesbian, gay, or bisexual men and women from disclosing their sexual orientation while they serve in the US military. Since 1993, more than 13,000 individuals have been discharged for violating the DADT policy.
Data presented in this
brief show that the proportion of women and racial/ethnic minorities among those discharges has increased over
time. In the late 1990s approximately a quarter of discharges were women and similar proportions were
racial/ethnic minorities. In recent years, those proportions have in

Trends: declining dismissal from military of gays

Very interestingly, the number of military personnel dismissed for " homosexual orientation" has been declining steadily for the last ten years! So, if left alone, the military will evolve under the current policy. Don't ask, tell if you want to, no penalty."DADTUYWT"

http://www.law.ucla.edu/williamsinstitute/pdf/Discharges2009_FORMATTED.pdf

Why not just prohibit the dismissal of military personnel for reasons of orientation? Why the special treatment?

How is this special

How is this special treatment? It's taking away a law that is designed so people can't live open lives. Now they will be able to, if it's repealed, and you will find there is no special treatment.

How soon we forget

It took away a law that finally allowed gays to serve in the military under certain conditions. That wasn’t that many years ago.

Prior to the DADT policies

Prior to the DADT policies gays entered the military dishonestly, this becomes an issue of integrity. It bothers me when they compare their plight to that of African American Males, can a black man deny the color of his skin like a gay person can hide their sexual orientation? Even MJ could not do that with all the money he had. Besides getting married what rights have homosexuals been denied, The right to vote, buy a house,ride a bus, walk on the street, a job. Stop comparing your situation to African Americans.

On the Military

The African Americans faced a similar rule in the military that threw them out and gave them a hard time to get jobs. First, designed to AGAIN throw out homosexuals, the Blue discharge (or Blue tickets). From 1941 to 1945, the blue ticket discharged 10,806 African Americans, which accounts for 22.2% of all the discharges in that time. If given this discharge, it would be almost impossible for someone to find a job.

Fortunately, they got rid of this law and desegregated the units as it would not effect the army. Though people said that the "Ns" would ruin the image of the army. That sounds very familiar.

Besides, some of our allies have already allowed gays in their military and their countries are still around and doing better than us.

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