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Unless HRT is fixed, Beach wary of light rail

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VIRGINIA BEACH

Longtime proponents of extending light rail into Virginia Beach are professing disgust with revelations of mismanagement at Hampton Roads Transit and say the agency must be overhauled before any partnership is possible.

Mayor Will Sessoms, a Beach light-rail supporter, said he's disappointed and "disgusted with the situation."

"HRT has to be fixed before I could ever ask the council or citizens to form a partnership with them," he said.

The city is considering a light-rail project that would extend the Norfolk Tide line across the Beach to the Oceanfront. Officials this year bought a $40 million vacant rail corridor - $10 million of that was city money - for a possible project, and many city redevelopment plans in the works are based on light rail.

A Beach project would require the city to work with HRT, the conduit for federal money that would make the project possible. A state investigation of HRT found that the agency withheld information about the true costs of the 7.4-mile starter line in Norfolk as estimates ballooned to $338 million from $232 million. The agency also ignored procurement rules.

Vice Mayor Louis Jones, who has not taken a stand on light rail, said of a Beach project, "If I had to vote on it today, I'd vote no."

Beach Councilman Jim Wood, an HRT board member, is asking HRT President and CEO Philip Shucet to present at next month's board meeting a plan for doing a "top to bottom" review of the agency.

"There's zero confidence in the agency, and that has to be rebuilt before we can move forward," Wood said.

Any actual vote on light rail in the Beach and whether to work with HRT is months or even years away. A contractor hired by the agency is preparing a $5.7 million Beach light rail feasibility study expected to be finished in May.

Revelations about that study, central to the light-rail question in the Beach, appeared in the recent audit. The audit says former HRT President Michael Townes may have improperly influenced which company to hire to perform the study. Townes told selection committee members that litigation, involving other work done for the agency, was possible against one of the two companies competing to do the study. He suggested they instead hire HDR Inc., a Nebraska-based engineering firm, the audit said.

"I'm not pleased that that occurred in the midst of the procurement process," Shucet said, "but I can tell you without question I have faith in the professionalism of the firm doing the Beach study."

The HDR study is expected to answer questions about the route, cost, number of expected users, locations of park-and-ride lots, possible road closures, environmental impacts and noise.

Many Beach council members have said they are reserving judgment on light rail until they see the study results.

Sessoms said this week of the study: "It certainly appears there could be a cloud."

Councilman Bill DeSteph said, "Do we trust the study and what these people are doing? I don't know the answer. Do we have to hire a new firm to do a new study and at what cost?"

Wood said he has confidence in the study.

"It's been done in a very open way with input from stakeholders on both sides, pro and con," he said, adding that city staff's involvement in the study gives him faith in it. 'I have every confidence that what we get from this study will be realistic information."

Beyond that is the question of whether federal, state and city money would be available and whether Beach residents would support light rail if a referendum were held. A majority of council members have said they favor a referendum. Residents voted down light rail in 1999.

Meanwhile, the city and HRT are talking. Sessoms and Shucet met Tuesday afternoon.

"He and I see the situation the same way," Shucet said. "I can understand why it would be upsetting. We need to regain some confidence with the city of Virginia Beach."

HRT's problems don't appear to have altered how city leaders feel about light rail in the Beach. Supporters, including Sessoms and Wood, say they still support the concept, assuming HRT can be rehabilitated.

"We are going to be under even more scrutiny," said Carolyn McPherson, executive director of Light Rail Now, a Beach pro-light-rail group. "It could perhaps give citizens a higher degree of confidence."

Light-rail skeptics, including DeSteph and Councilman Bob Dyer, said HRT's problems raise additional concerns.

"It obviously sends up a caution flag," Dyer said. "Quite frankly, it justifies the rationale for having a referendum because that would force transparency and a more robust citizen education process."

John Moss, chairman of the Virginia Beach Taxpayer Alliance, said, "I want the issue debated on the merits, but I do think there's a question of whether HRT can oversee the extension project, and my conclusion is they cannot. They have lost the high ground of objectivity and integrity."

Aaron Applegate, (757) 222-5122, aaron.applegate@pilotonline.com

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VA BEACH RAIL LINE INTO BIKE PATH

I think the since it is unlikley that Va Beach will move forward with light Rail after what has happened with the HRT and Norfolk experience. Now what is to be done? The rail line has been bought and it would make a wonderful bike trail that can be used for moving just as many folks at light rail would. WE can also set up some feeder busses to hook up the Norfolk Light Rail line. Maybe after some years of watching the use of feeder bus ridership into the Norfolk light rail line we can make a sound decision. Meanwhile if Norfolk wants to extend lignt rail...Take it to the naval bace. Good luck with that.

keep it up

I have heard some signs that there are signs of craks in this light rail mess. FBI is at least moving forward. So many tight lips the ship must be leaking. Keep it up folks. So maybe time to get pro active. Reid how do we work to sink the Federal funding for the Virginia Beach light rail? Maybe just killing the funding is enough rather than this back and forth waste of time with these folks. Who are the DC decision makers for the federal funding? How do we get to them? I have found it easier at times to work from the top down on issues like this. Thoughts?

Strategic viewpoint

Carolyn McPherson simply brings the facts to the table to be considered, and her plea to consider the long term strategic implications of the need to connect land use and transportation ring true as much today as it did 70 years ago. The era of the suburb appears to be gone and while it will remain as the predominate form within Virginia Beach for decades to come, new development is much more likely to occur in town like communities where residents will be less dependant on the automobile and more liable to walk, to bike, and to use transit. Light rail has been an outstanding stimulus to this transformatin in communities around this nation. It will be here as well. Further, our citizens know this and support light rail.

Our citizens support Light Rail?

Well you'd never know it reading this blog. So Mr. Barrett has consulted with The Wizard of Loot, has looked into his crystal ball, and his magic mirror, and has been foretold that the citizens "know this and support light rail." WOW. Well we may as well crawl back into our holes then. Fact is the "citizens" you speak of are those in the real estate and developement business. It is also the back door for developers to use HRT to condemn property and dictate how it will be used. I also think that HRT has forfeited any further federal funds for anything for anything. This is yet another repeat of the CSB in Norfolk. An appointed BOD overseeing and spending taxpayer money, and no accountability. LRT in VB will probably die a miserable death.

just one problem

Only problem is Virginia Beach light rail is the wrong solution for a big problem. Its 20 years to late..costs too much for little transportation gain. But dont let the facts stand in you way by all means.

More damage control

Well I see that Carolyn McPherson who is the Executive Director of Loot Rail....(thanks again Jim) excuse me.. Light Rail Now, Inc. got her talking points from Mike Barrett in todays letter to the editor. She too is in denial. The story seems to change back and forth with these people. She asserts it's about transportation gridlock. Mike Barrett pushes Transit Oriented Developement. Both are wrong. It's all about control of property and developers making money at taxpayers expense. LRT is a circumvention of regular channels to allow HRT to condemn property using eminent domain. So property owners who have successful restaurants and businesses in sight of the tracks, will be kicked off their property. Stand in readiness folks.

Light Rail Now = YES Campaign part duh

Sooooo, who is the $$$$ behind Light Rail Now??? The Pilot should investigate this and share their findings with the rest of us. You wanna learn about who is pushing light rail - follow the money.

Close!

None of them, not individually nor by city, seem to be able to get on the same page with answers. It is amazing that they always seem to have the right answers for problems until now.
Some tout HRT has already been fixed and others say it needs to be fix. You are making yourself look even more incompetent as a group of leaders. Bottom line, it is all smoke and mirrors. Nothing more than political damage control! If they cared then they would have never allowed this situation to get to where it is. Each and every one of them of them had the means to prevent it and no one stepped up to the plate. Absolutely appalling!

I have the answer to all light rail issues

I propose that we all agree to support Light Rail development what ever the cost. That all costs will be supported by a commercial real estate tax. Since this about development lets put the cost on the developers rather than residents. What do you say?

help reid

Can Virginia Beah meet the cost estimate and ridership levels to qualify for the Federal Funding match? Or do they have to really tweak the numbers? How do you pick an "indepentant" organization to do a "STUDY" and get the outcome you would want?

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