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Norfolk police chief will review training safety procedures

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The Norfolk Police Department's training division is in for a cultural change.

Police Chief Bruce P. Marquis said Wednesday that he wants police recruits to report injuries to instructors and he wants to make sure training supervisors recognize when recruits might be in physical danger.

The police chief made those pronouncements in the wake of recruit John Kohn's death after a head injury in self-defense training.

"We have to make sure the training staff is trained to recognize certain things, but we have to get the recruits to understand if they're injured, they need to report the injury," Marquis said. "There will be changes made as a result of this unfortunate incident."

Marquis' statement at a news conference comes after a police video surfaced that shows Kohn - who blacked out, according to police records - being punched in the head by an instructor.

Interim City Manager Stanley A. Stein and Norfolk police Lt. Joseph P. Baron joined Marquis at City Hall Wednesday to answer questions about the death of Kohn, who was taken to a hospital in critical condition Dec. 9. He died Dec. 18.

Self-defense training is mandated by the state Department of Criminal Justice Services. The training used for Norfolk police recruits is based in part on Brazilian jiujitsu, according to a police manual prepared by Leldon Sapp, the training instructor who was hitting Kohn when he went limp.

Broken bones or sprains during such training are common, said Officer Jimmy Barnes, a spokesman for Virginia Beach police.

Barnes declined to comment on a video of Sapp repeatedly punching Kohn in the head but said that in Virginia Beach any blows to a recruit's neck or head are supposed to be open-handed.

"The point is not to harm anybody," he said.

Participants' conditions are assessed before and after, Barnes said.

"Any one of us at any time could have that kind of incident happen," he said of what happened to Kohn. "Any time there's defensive or combative training, it could happen unexpectedly."

Marquis in late December said police were investigating a body-to-body collision as a potential cause of Kohn's injury. The collision happened 11 minutes before Kohn collapsed during the self-defense sparring with Sapp.

Marquis said last week he was not given information about the punches by his department when he first provided information about the death in December.

Additionally, Kohn had been hit in the head by another instructor and a recruit earlier in the week, information Marquis said also was not made available to him until recently.

A new recruit class would undergo self-defense training in about three months, Marquis said.

Marquis and Baron emphasized that the Police Department's investigation shows that while Kohn complained about headaches and nausea to his wife and other recruits, he did not tell training instructors.

"We know the dynamics of them trying to make it through training is such that they do not want to fail," Marquis said of recruits. "They're more than likely not going to self-report some deficiency, if you will. They're going to unfortunately hang in there, try harder, even though in this case there may be some injuries that only family members know. We have to change that culture, absolutely."

The cause of Kohn's death remains under investigation. Police have said a preliminary finding by the medical examiner in Norfolk determined the collision was to blame, but police emphasize that the finding was only preliminary.

When asked if punches may have contributed to the swelling of Kohn's brain, or whether the punches had been ruled out as contributing factors, Baron said: "I understand the question, but we have only been authorized to give you what we've given you from the medical examiner's office. Anything further has to come from the medical examiner's office."

Larry Hill, a spokesman for the Virginia Department of Health, said he couldn't answer the question.

"We are waiting on some other items that we have requested," he said.

Pilot writer Kathy Adams contributed to this report.

Patrick Wilson, (757) 222-3893, patrick.wilson@pilotonline.com

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Statement of Instructor After Incident

This is one of the poorest excuses for a statement I've ever seen.

Based on Recent Search - The Instructor's Formal Statement?

Leldon Sapp Statement Jan 14, 2011 ... Leldon Sapp Statement. www.scribd.com/doc/46888078/Leldon-Sapp-Statement

Of course the Internet is full of this and that, but reading the material at the site above, the personal choice of the trainee to continue training when probably a severe injury existed that required medical attention, may have been the root cause of the unfortunate passing of the valued individual. Those at the center and surrounding the incident have all been greatly effected and their careers influenced for all time. No one will win and all have lost something of value. This matter will result in a stronger PD, better defense training and perhaps afford the outlying populace an understanding of inherent limitations of self.

Affirmative action and cronyism

This is what you get when you hire a chief based on Affirmative action and Cronyism this guy is a JOKE he could not lead a group of cub scouts much less a police department

what is needed is for the Justice department to step in take over the department and conduct an investigation the training officer should have been suspended now he should have been arrested and the so called chief sorry chief its your time to get under the bus that you are so willing to toss your STAFF UNDER

hey chief perhaps your staff should have told you that your lack of leadership is going to cost you your job and the people have no respect for you

Because the chief is black

Because the chief is black he was hired because of affirmative action? Can you prove this? Some racist believe every black hired is a result of affirmative action, glad you are not doing the hiring. You are the reason affirmative action is needed in the first place!

Thanks Chris for noticing

The comments from the link seem to have some expertise with Jui Jitsu. These guys have tons of mat experience. What can the average person with no martial arts training add to what they have said already? Patrick Wilson, Kathy Adams how about contacting Leldon Sapp's martial arts instructor Gustavo Machado for his reaction? I'd love to hear it. Why do Lt.Baron and Chief Marquis continue to repeat that the medical examiner's preliminary findings.The ME's opinion was issued BEFORE the truth about what happened immediately prior to his being taken away in an ambulance came out.

I was wondering...

what people with Jui Jitsu training thought about what happened.
Read candid thoughts on this tragedy from people who train in this style of ground fighting, including a poster who claims to have taught previously at the training academy for 10 years...they seem to favor a bullying "weeding out of the weak" theory asto why he was beaten so badly, & some other things I won't repeat....

http://www.nhbgear.com/forum/index.php/topic,97026.0.html

Awesome link

I was wondering what people in the world of MMA would think about this tragedy. I followed your link and read the comments and totally agree. It's a shame that Chief Marquis et al are trying to pass this SENSELESS BEATING off as "consistent with policy and training" while you have people with expertise in that field saying it was totally unnecessary. If any of the recruits in that class have even the slightest notion that Sapp was trying to "weed out the weak" or get Kohn to quit I pray they come forward. This man lost his life trying to be a police officer and his death is a senseless tragedy. Marquis and everyone involved need to be held accountable!

Good job Pilot

& Patrick Wilson for this story.
First of all, my sincere condolences Mrs. Kohn & child. John sounds like a wonderful man. I'm sure he would have made a great police officer & father.

Norfolk's medical examiner needs to issue a statement ASAP. It doesn't take a medical degree to know the blows from Leldon Sapp we saw on video contributed (at the very least!) to John Kohn's death. The silence from the medical examiner's office allows this second guessing by both sides to continue..ENOUGH.

Very diplomatic of Officer Barnes to decline comment on the video. It's not easy to look at. Could it be the training officers wanted Kohn to drop but he wouldn't? Sapp doesn't look too concerned when it's over. A professional fight would have been stopped lon

Poor Taste

I've scanned through all the comments here and no one is saying that they think it's deplorable that the video is here for everyone to see. I think it is too much information personally!

Thanks New Orleans, if only

Thanks New Orleans, if only you had given this guy the job! How about going back to Hartford haha!

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