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U.S. Rep. Forbes' 'In God We Trust' bill sent to full House

Posted to: Chesapeake Federal Government News Politics

U.S. Rep. Randy Forbes' bill to reaffirm "In God We Trust" as the national motto and encourage its display in all public schools was approved by a House committee Thursday after a sharp partisan debate.

Opponents argued it goes too far in pushing one religious belief, while supporters said it acknowledges what they consider God's role in the success of the United States.

The legislation, approved in a voice vote by the Judiciary Committee, is similar to a bill that Forbes, a Chesapeake Republican, unsuccessfully proposed in the previous session when the House had a Democratic majority. The current measure was sent to the full House, now controlled by Republicans. It has 64 co-sponsors - 60 Republicans and four Democrats.

Forbes said the legislation is needed to combat a concerted effort by some to drive all references to God out of public institutions.

"There has been a chilling effect where schoolchildren, school districts, where individuals in federal buildings didn't know if they could post 'In God We Trust' on their walls," Forbes said.

He reminded the committee that he and other legislators had to intervene two years ago when planners of the new Capitol Visitor Center didn't include "In God We Trust" as the national motto, using instead "E Pluribus Unum," Latin for "out of many, one." Within a year, "In God We Trust" was chiseled into the center's ceiling beam.

Several Republicans on the committee backed Forbes, saying God had a hand in founding the United States and is responsible for the nation's success.

"I believe the Founding Fathers were moved around like men on a chessboard put in place at that time so the world could have America," said U.S. Rep. Steve King of Iowa, a bill co-sponsor.

If references to God are discouraged in public buildings, King said, "in the end, it wouldn't be an agnostic nation, it would be an atheistic nation imposed by the minds of people who revert to the hard-core left."

U.S. Rep. Mike Pence of Indiana said the "hand of providence" has guided America.

"I think God is, and he rewards those, including nations, who earnestly seek him," he said.

The most strident of the Democratic legislators who spoke out against Forbes' bill was another Hampton Roads lawmaker: U.S. Rep. Bobby Scott.

The Newport News Democrat, whose district is next to Forbes', said the bill violates the U.S. Constitution's First Amendment, which states that "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion."

"First, it prefers religion over non-religion, which is a violation," Scott said. "Furthermore, it endorses a specific type of religion, monotheism, over other religions, which is a violation.

"Families entrust public schools with the public education of their children but condition their trust on the understanding that the classroom will not purposefully be used to advance religious views that may conflict with the private beliefs of the student and his or her family," Scott said.

Forbes countered that the motto has been used for generations on coins and currency and public buildings and was first approved as the national motto by Congress and President Dwight Eisenhower in 1956.

"To suggest that we should not encourage that 'In God We Trust' be on our buildings, perhaps our classrooms, at the same time we mandate that every one of those students use this dollar bill with "In God We Trust" to buy their lunches... is an argument that is just a bridge too far," Forbes said.

Scott said court cases have found that the earlier uses of the motto have proved over time to be 'de minimis' - meaning they have little impact in promoting religion. But the legislation, which forcefully promotes the use of the motto, highlighting its religious significance, will weaken that defense, he said.

"While the language of the national motto in and of itself may be de minimis, this resolution certainly is not," Scott said.

Congress and the country face major economic and social problems that need attention, in addition to the catastrophe in Japan, Scott said, "yet instead of facing these realities or dealing with any of these difficult issues... we are debating whether or not to affirm and proliferate a motto that was adopted in 1956 and is under no direct threat of attack."

Forbes told the committee that he listened to Scott's arguments but disagrees and "didn't see that in the court decisions." Both men have law degrees and have practiced law.

If the measure passes the House, it still is subject to approval by the Senate, which has a Democratic majority.

Bill Bartel, (757) 446-2398, bill.bartel@pilotonline.com

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Bin Laden Would Love Our "In God We Trust" Motto

I refuse to accept the distorted idea that our secular oriented deistic founding fathers would approve of making our national motto an official and clearly unconstitutional profession of faith in god. Why not just make our national motto "God is Great"? Think of the primitive thugs in the world who would love to see that motto in the United States. I refuse to accept the religious right's made-up national motto "In God We Trust" (1956) that not only had nothing to do with the founding of our nation (our founding father's original choice for a motto was E pluribus unum) but it would not pass the religious fanatic terrorist smell test i.e. If it's a motto that a brainwashed backward holy-book inspired moron of a terrorist would approve of I don't want

Freedom

The First Amendment is clear that Congress shall make NO law respecting the establishment of religion. E Pluribus Unum should have remained our national motto. Introducing god into government is a violation of the First Amendment and only unites those with similar ideas about god. Our nation is not united under the same, if any, god. If we truly seek to be strong and serve as a beacon of freedom for the rest of the world, we should be united by freedom, tolerance, and respect for human rights - not by one group’s concept of god or religion.
When religion controls government, political freedom dies and when government controls religion, religious freedom perishes.
Religion & Govt will exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed.

You sir are a great american.

Thank-you for setting the world straight and letting everyone know our secular nation trusts God! It's just so clear that we were always meant to be a theocracy from the teachings found in the Jefferson Bible and the Treaty of Tripoli. Furthermore we need to round up those socialist evil atheists and send them to labor camps because they are clearly what are destroying America today and only by constantly reminding everyone that we all trust in God, will God's special blessings rain down upon us. Besides, that old motto was obviously kenyansocialistcommunistnaziesque in origin and not even in 'merihcan!!!! Eh pleribees union, who needs unions anyways we're all fat-cat millionaires thanks to the greatest President in History Ronald Raygun!

Why?

I have yet in my nearly half-century of life to understand something presumably very basic about human nature: Why is it that it isn't enough for some people that their religion guide their own lives - they need to force everybody else outside their religion to kowtow to it also?

If people would simply live their own lives AND ALLOW OTHERS THE SAME PRIVILEGE, the world would be a much nicer and more peaceful place.

Stop wasting OUR

Stop wasting OUR time...Where are the JOBS bills?

Just a last thought:

The Great Seal of the US has the phrase "E Pluribus Unum", or out of many, one. The framers who established that were not imposing a religion, but were stating that this was a single nation composed of many. This includes many religions, as stated in the First amendment. "In God We Trust" was coined and imprinted on our currency by people who had a deathly fear of "Godless" communism in the 50's. This phrase plainly excludes those who are citizens of the US but happen to be Hindu, Moslem, Sikh, or any other religion other than Judaism from the ranks of acceptable citizens. In fact, it could be counted as bribery. "If you don't accept the Judeo/Christian idea of God, then you shouldn't use our money". E Pluribus Unum trumps In God We Trust.

B.C. before Christ, A.D."in the year of our Lord."

Those of you who don't want anything to do with God, please stop using the Christian date 2011 A.D. on your checks, taxes, birth certificates, drivers license, license plates, tombstones and all other legal documents. We wouldn't want to offend anyone, right.

BC stand for "before Christ." AD stands for the Latin phrase "anno domino" which means "in the year of our Lord."

Every time you date something you acknowledge that Christ walked the earth approximately 2011 years ago. How about just question marks on your grave marker?? - ??

Many use CE to denote the

Many use CE to denote the Common Era, and BCE for Before Common Era. That is what I use.

Regardless, you are attacking a straw man. No one is attempting to eliminate religion from society. We reside in a world filled with deists who worship their various gods and goddesses and no one is expecting that to change. In fact, I stand ready to defend your right to either worship or ignore the divine as your conscience dictates.

Those like myself who oppose this measure feel that the state is overstepping its bounds. The government should not be promoting any religious faith. Imagine if the motto had the name of another divinity instead of the Abrahamic god of Judaism, Islam and Christianity. Would that be acceptable conduct for the state?

Before Christ and AD...NOT USED ANY MORE

The old religiously based B.C. and A.D. are no longer used, as religion is largely the same thing as any other superstition, since it is impossible to prove the existence of any god or gods, and there is no necessity to imagine anyone created the universe. There is no evidence supporting either contention that is incontrovertible. In recognition of this fact, and the fact that many cultures (Jewish, Chinese, Arabian) use different dating methods, the standard terms for dates before 0 and dates after are BCE and CE: 'Before the Common Era,' and 'Common Era.' BC and AD are defunct.

Big problem

I would use the Mayan calendar, but I don't have that big stone, and besides, it expires next year, or so I've been told. The Julian calendar would be ok, but you have to specify which decade is being cited. Maybe the Chinese one, if I could only remember which animal this was the year of. Unfortunately, I am only acknowledging that someone once made a decision to delineate a useful means of determining the passage of time, and it is accepted and used because a standard was needed.
BTW, if BC stands for "before Christ" and AD stands for the Latin phrase "anno domino" which means "in the year of our Lord", doesn't that indicate that they are two separate entities?

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