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Norfolk wants more time to decide on plan for Waterside

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In spite of a yearlong study with input from several influential business groups, urban experts and more than 3,000 residents, the new city manager says he wants "almost a clean slate" and more time to figure out what to do with the troubled Waterside marketplace.

The City Council had pledged to have a plan for the city-owned facility last year. But City Manager Marcus Jones, who started in February, said he will ask the council to delay a decision until at least this summer.

"I don't think we can make an informed decision at this point," Jones said. "There are a lot of ideas and a lot of concepts, but as I talk with some of the key people on our staff, they are not in agreement with a lot of those ideas and concepts."

Waterside's future is also too important to rush, he said. In February, political leaders pushed Jones to support the Midtown Office Tower, a project that would have been built on city property. Three days after the council approved the development, officials from a nonprofit that was to rent office space there announced they had financial problems and would not participate. The city then pulled out of the deal.

Jones said not fully investigating the project was a mistake he won't make again.

Opened in 1983, Waterside sits on prime riverfront land downtown. The marketplace, which recently was billed as a center for nighttime entertainment, is more than half empty after the loss of many of its tenants over the past two years. Remaining are a handful of stores, half a dozen restaurants and a lot of empty space.

Developers, residents and business owners have pitched numerous ideas for the building, ranging from turning it into a casino or wedding facility to reverting it back into the community market that existed when it opened.

Jones said he wants to assemble another group of experts and have at least one "community conversation," in which groups of people would sit with city officials to discuss Waterside. The city spent about $27,000 on the most recent group of five urban consultants who met with residents and businesspeople to devise a long-term vision for the facility. That included $5,000 payments to each consultant and expenses of about $2,400.

The group's recommendation in January called for the city to solicit bids to turn the facility over to a private operator.

"I'm sure if you talk to 10 people familiar with Waterside, you will get six or seven opinions," Jones said. "This thing is a game-changer. We've got to get it right."

"I know this isn't what the City Council wants to hear," he added.

It certainly wasn't what some residents wanted to hear.

"People don't want to talk about it anymore, to tell you the truth," said Kevin Murphy, president of the Downtown Civic League. Murphy said he has confidence in the new manager, but his civic league supports the most recent panel's recommendation.

"The work has been done," Murphy said. "We have been beaten down by a lack of action."

Keeping the building half-empty for longer, Murphy said, sends negative signals about the health of downtown. It also deprives the city of tax revenues that would be gained by a fully occupied Waterside, he said.

Because the current tenants' rent doesn't cover debt payments and operational costs, the city is slated to spend $1.85 million this year subsidizing the operations and making payments on a $5.1 million debt. The city will also spend $1.4 million on what officials say are necessary capital improvements.

Officials say tax revenues from food and beverage sales used to more than offset those costs, but the city is now losing money on Waterside.

Councilman Barclay C. Winn, whose ward includes downtown, said he supports Jones' request for more time. Other high-profile issues, he said, have pulled the council's attention away from Waterside.

"There's been so much going on, we haven't had much time to concentrate," Winn said.

At least one downtown business leader, Cathy Coleman, who heads the Downtown Norfolk Council, also supports the delay. The organization and two other local business groups, the Greater Norfolk Corporation and VisitNorfolk, urged the city last year to consider tearing down Waterside because it "detracts from the city's image and consumes scarce resources."

"It's a decision that needs more thought," Coleman said.

 

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bulldoze

This is Norfolk City Gov't here, to follow the way of City Council they should bulldoze it and rebuild it exactly the way it was, then when they are tired of the revenue chain the doors of the people who pay the bills only to do it all over again.

Here's an Idea

How about Waterside Outlet Mall? Stick a bunch of outlet stores in there, like they have in Williamsburg, maybe a restaurant or two, (like a Red Lobster and/or Applebees) a couple of fast food places for something quick, a kids arcade, so they aren't bored to death (like the one @ Greenbrier Mall) and wake that place back up!!

Sell It!!

Sell it! Pay for an ad in the major publications like the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, and USA Today to include ads online and in print.

world wide design contest

Let put out a call to all designers to come up with a mixed use design plan for the space. Winner will get the project. There may be some great ideas out there form professional designers to use this waterfront space in ways we have not looked at yet. Then we can look at the best concepts and decide. It will have to be a build from th fround up.

Dollar Tree

Waterside would make a great HQ for Dollar Tree

Even if the bible-belt

Even if the bible-belt legislators in Richmond passed a gaming law, Norfolk would not be a good location for one. Casinos would be better located at the Oceanfront where they have the infastructure for large number of tourists.

The Mattaponi and Pamunkey Indian reservations might also be good locations.

But don't hold your breath. The bible-belt crowd will see to it that there never are casinos in good ole Virginny.

Monacans

Research the Monacan Indian tribe of VA and you'll see that the Gov't won't even officially recognize them b/c of the chance of casinos popping up in VA... which I'm not complaining about.

delat after delay

Norfolk is famous for it's delays and costly "studies". I don't remember how many they did on Granby Street before they finally listened to the people living here to turn it into a retail and living downtown. "We" spent a fortune on those studies, and some of the stupid things they did was to close traffic on Granby St downtown which chased a lot of business out of business. It looks like they will do the same thing with Waterside. The last group that did a study came up with an excellent idea, but dollars to donuts our Council will go in the opposite direction, as if our Council really knows what they are doing.

Casino?

Would love a casino in va, but not at waterside. I still like the idea of riverboat gambling. No one has provided me with a good rebuttal for not having RBG. Whatever they build, make sure it is worth parking. I personally believe they are going wrong because the area is too small to do anything significant that requires consultants, they should consider one big venture with upgrades to the harbor park corridor. Small lot waterfront options there, why not build up and make it one big transformation. What is for certain, DT resident’s want it quiet, they would also suggest make it a bigger park (of course their interest are different than ours). Build it up, build it better and tell NHRA to take a hike with regards to management.

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