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TCC's transfer program lives up to the hype

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Leonard Retter took a gamble and applied to only one college, the University of Virginia. He figured if he didn't get in, all would not be lost.

A Tidewater Community College representative had stopped by his Virginia Beach high school and promoted a program that helps students secure guaranteed admission to U.Va. and other four-year colleges around the state.

Retter knew that if U.Va. initially said no, he could get there with time through TCC.

He was right. Two years later and with a 3.7 GPA at TCC, Retter was admitted to his dream school, though he ultimately decided instead to go to the College of William and Mary because of its pre-law reputation. He is scheduled to complete his bachelor's degree there this month, he said.

A TCC transfer program has been around since the school opened in 1968, officials say, but many people were unaware of its extent until 2003, when TCC began aggressively marketing the initiative. Since then, TCC has seen a spike in enrollment in its transfer program, according to statistics from the college. The numbers also show that the majority of those who graduate from TCC go on to four-year institutions in the state.

"When they get that four-year degree, it doesn't have an asterisk on it that says TCC," said Curt Aasen, TCC's director of institutional effectiveness. "It says U.Va. It says William and Mary."

When Deborah M. DiCroce became TCC's president in 1998, she said she believed the comprehensive transfer program was "the best-kept secret in town." Students take classes equivalent to those required of freshmen and sophomores at four-year institutions and can earn associate degrees. Once at four-year schools, DiCroce said, they traditionally do as well academically as other students.

DiCroce also recognized another key advantage of the transfer program: Two years of schooling can cost twice as much at a four-year public institution as they would at TCC. Retter estimates that his family saved $35,000.

DiCroce said it was her idea to market TCC's transfer program. The campaign, "From here, go anywhere," continues today on billboards, print ads and television commercials featuring colleges including Virginia Tech and William and Mary, to name a few.

Retter agrees there's truth in the advertising. "I did get exactly what I wanted from TCC," he said. "I saw it as a stepping stone to my future plans, and that's basically what they're selling. It played out for me and for a lot of people I knew."

From fall 1999 to fall 2010, TCC statistics show, enrollment in the school's transfer program grew 52 percent, to 14,714 from 9,658.

DiCroce said the spike correlates with the marketing campaign and a rocky economy. She also cited a significant increase in admission agreements with four-year colleges, a result of a 2005 state law aimed to restructure higher education.

In 2009-10, for example, 958 - or 63 percent - of TCC's transfer-program graduates enrolled at four-year institutions the following fall, according to Aasen. That's up from 62 percent, or 865 students, the previous year, he said.

That number is about in line with community colleges around the state, according to statistics from the Virginia Community College System. Of the 7,434 students statewide graduating from the transfer program in 2008-09, about 66 percent enrolled in four-year institutions within a year of graduating.

Those figures don't tell the whole story, though. DiCroce said a number of students transfer to four-year institutions without officially completing transfer-program studies at TCC.

For instance, of all students entering TCC for the first time in fall 2006, 21.4 percent left TCC for a four-year institution within four years without completing an associate degree.

"For some students, they are not going to graduate," DiCroce said. "They may opt to go on immediately at some point in their program to a four-year institution."

The majority of TCC's transfer students stay in the area. Last year, Aasen said, 57 percent went to ODU; a total of 15 percent moved on to Norfolk State, Virginia Wesleyan or Regent; and 28 percent enrolled in colleges outside South Hampton Roads, including U.Va.,, William and Mary, Virginia Tech and out-of-state schools.

Locally, Norfolk State and ODU report that about half of TCC transfer students who came to their schools in 2006 and 2007 completed their degrees. According to NSU, transfer students not in the graduating pool might still be enrolled, might have left higher education, or might have gone on to other schools.

In 2009, Tracy Wall graduated from TCC with a 3.7 GPA and the same year transitioned to ODU, entering as a junior, she said.

She now has a 3.75 GPA, she said, and is on target to graduate with her bachelor's this summer. She then plans to pursue a master's in social work at Norfolk State.

She found the only real difference between her TCC and ODU experiences was that she had to learn a new writing style.

"But that was the only thing that was brand new and a little bit different for me," Wall said. "Otherwise, I felt everything else was the same."

Cheryl Ross, (757) 446-2443, cheryl.ross@pilotonline.com

 

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This program worked for me

This program worked for me...and saved me a ton of money. Granted the caliber of teachers may not be the best at TCC but having taken courses at ODU and Virginia Tech i must say all of their teachers aren't exactly the sharpest tools in the shed either.

My only complaint w/ the

My only complaint w/ the "transfer anywhere" program was trying to clarify what applicants can expect on applying to a 4-year institution with TCC credits. In helping a high school student wind through the labrynth, it became clear that the process is even cloudier than applying directly from high school. There was never any expected guarantee of acceptance. However, it became murkier not knowing how many slots would be open for transfer students. More importantly, it was not possible to get a straight answer as to how admissions offices would compare TCC credits/grades to those at other 4-year institutions when 2 students were competing for a single slot, much less how well they would need to perform at TCC.

good points

From some of the things I heard in classes at TCC, I think you have made some fine points. Students should understand the risks involved with this program also. It seems that credits don't always transfer one for one. I think most people expect that. And I heard more than a few students say they could not get straight answers.

Community College

When I graduated from high school, many of my fellow students boasted they were going to Radford, UVA or Tech. And they did. Two years later, they all seemed to be sitting next to me in class at ODU. It doesn't matter where you start...it's where you finish. TCC is a great start.

As an honor grad from TCC,

As an honor grad from TCC, parents should take note that they need to be mindful of Jr.'s instructors. While TCC has used this marketing to increase tuition far beyond what is needed, they rely heavily on adjuncts. Many of these adjuncts(part time teachers) are not very good teachers. They are simply underpaid teachers to fill classrooms at a lower cost. Review your child's selections. You cannot depend on the dept. head as they will often back the worst teachers. I had a statistics teacher that never spoke a word about the subject. Several others that were not teaching or concerned with my education. 4 year colleges use these as well, and TCC has some excellent instructors, but aim for staff instructors. Make sure the kid learns, the school will not

Hardly unique

I've attended several colleges over the years, from community to four-year (including both Va. Tech and ODU), and one thing I can say with certainty is the only constant with regard to the quality of teaching is inconsistency. All used adjuncts, though because of the rural nature of VT there were fewer; the tradeoff there was that Tech used a lot of graduate teaching assistants. Some professors are great teachers, while some are great writers and researchers but couldn’t teach an ape to eat a banana. Some of the best instructors I ever had were adjuncts because of the real-world and current information they had to offer. At the end of the day it’s a total crap shoot in college.

Use of adjunct professors is

Use of adjunct professors is an unfortunate way of life at universities today just as much as TCC. All problems inherent with their use at TCC are the same as those that exist at 4 year institutions.

Not true. I have attended

Not true. I have attended other schools. TCC is filling spaces with adjuncts as the class leader. Many are not teaching at all, just following a course study provided by the book publisher. My opinion would be different if the school offered a clear and defined way to approach such issues for the students but they do not. If I take two classes there and after fees, books, and tuition my costs are well over 1K, you will have to pardon me for expecting to learn the subject. They simply do not care.

I see there are a lot of opinions here, but I would be willing to detail my claims in court. No unbiased person could deny the lack of concern the school shows towards it's students. Money is king and nothing more.

Not true. I have attended

Not true. I have attended other schools. TCC is filling spaces with adjuncts as the class leader. Many are not teaching at all, just following a course study provided by the book publisher. My opinion would be different if the school offered a clear and defined way to approach such issues for the students but they do not. If I take two classes there and after fees, books, and tuition my costs are well over 1K, you will have to pardon me for expecting to learn the subject. They simply do not care.

I see there are a lot of opinions here, but I would be willing to detail my claims in court. No unbiased person could deny the lack of concern the school shows towards it's students. Money is king and nothing more.

While this topic clearly

While this topic clearly strikes close to home, you are misinformed. I have been in the area 35 years following college & have countless friends serving as instructors & adjunct professors at ODU, VWC & CNU. They far outnumber their full time peers, saving their institutions over 70% in salary, retirement & all other benefits as well. It is simply how higher education works in today's world. Students suffer since in most cases the instructors cannot develop personal relationships. On the other hand, they are all extremely qualified. I've actually taken several of their classes. It's unfortunate that you've had bad experiences but you paint with much to broad a brush. While money is indeed king, court will do you little avail.

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