The Virginian-Pilot
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NORFOLK
In the crowded Norfolk Circuit Courtroom, Diane Maydosz clutched several folders to her pinstriped navy suit jacket.
She answered a few simple questions from the judge. A minute later, one of the first courtroom arguments of Maydosz's legal career ended with a continuance. It was just the start of her workday.
After court, Maydosz drove 50 miles to Williamsburg to a second job, teaching dog obedience classes.
The classes are her only paying job this summer. Like many legal interns in government offices this summer, Maydosz is working for free. The third-year law student at the College of William and Mary admits prospects after law school are "a little bleak."
Legal interns in government jobs this summer are learning a painful message: The law doesn't always pay. Once a fallback for underemployed liberal arts majors, law school has become an expensive path to a profession with no guarantee of a high-paying job.
The median starting salary for new law school graduates last year fell 13 percent, while starting pay at private firms dropped 20 percent, according to an industry report released last month by the National Association for Law Placement.
Private sector pay dropped mainly because large firms cut back on hiring, according to the report.
Shrinking opportunities in the private sector have also made it tough for young lawyers to land lower-paying public sector jobs, industry experts said. "It's even more competitive than it was before," said Kevin Donovan, senior assistant dean for career services at the University of Virginia School of Law. "Even at a top school like Virginia, they have to work hard."
Prosecutors and public defenders offices in South Hampton Roads have eliminated almost all of their part-time paid positions for summer interns over the past few years. Summer staff with prosecutors in Norfolk, Chesapeake and Portsmouth receive little more than a parking spot, desk and experience. Just half of the interns in Virginia Beach's Commonwealth Attorney's office are paid. Public defenders and judicial clerks in for the summer receive no compensation, according to several interns and local offices.
Portsmouth Commonwealth's Attorney Earle Mobley said the quantity and quality of legal interns has soared this year. He said he expected to have two unpaid interns, but ended up hiring five because of the strong pool of applicants. For his cash-strapped department, Mobley said, "It is a godsend."
Many local interns make do with law school stipends, grants and family help. A few, like Maydosz, take on part-time jobs, although they are discouraged from working during law school by bar associations. In Norfolk, the city ran out of money to pay legal interns two years ago, according to spokeswoman Amanda Howie.
Last year, U.Va. law student Katie Beye worked an unpaid internship with a judge in her native Kansas City and worked nights at a liquor store, she said. This year, Beye borrowed $3,000 from her sister, a schoolteacher, to make it through the summer at the Norfolk Commonwealth's Attorney's office.
Beye said several of her classmates landed summer jobs at big firms in Washington, D.C., with perks including tickets to Nationals baseball games and flying trapeze lessons. But she's happy with her choice this summer, she said, because she wants to argue cases in court: "I want to prosecute."
When Rachel Yount told friends and family in Tennessee she was going to law school at William and Mary, they told her she was going to be so rich. "No I won't," she told them.
Yount landed in the Norfolk public defender's office for the summer. She's researched criminal law and observed several high-profile cases, and the experience has convinced her she wants to be in the courtroom.
Yount knows life after school could be difficult. A fellow W&M law school friend who recently graduated has at least one job offer - as a part-time lawyer at a legal clinic for the poor making less than $10 an hour. "We were all pretty devastated," Yount said.
As their job prospects have shrunk, law school students' debts have grown. The average student graduating from public law school last year came out with nearly $69,000 in debt compared with about $106,000 in debt from private schools, according to a study by the American Bar Association. During the past decade, student debt has jumped about 50 percent at both public and private schools, according to the association.
Brian Bailey, a Regent University law student spending the summer at the Chesapeake Commonwealth Attorney's office, said he's worried his loans will be tough to repay. "I'm a little nervous, to be perfectly honest," said Bailey, a devout Christian, adding, "God has a purpose."
The market even has young lawyers from prestigious law schools concerned. At least one U.Va. law school student showed up on campus wearing a T-shirt that read, "Virginia Law $40,000 a year and no job," according to the legal blog Above The Law.
Donovan declined to comment on the incident but said the school has several programs to support students and graduates in the difficult job market. U.Va. awarded $378,000 in grants this year to 81 students with summer jobs in the public interest sector.
Regent University School of Law dean Jeffrey Brauch said their students are focusing more on marketable skills such as legal writing, trial practice and even a seminar in opening a law firm. "Law school is way too expensive and requires too much work to dabble in," Brauch said.
Many students say regardless of the pay, they have benefited from their summer experiences. They generally travel in groups, comparing notes on trial strategy and legal theory. They typically work between 30 and 40 hours a week.
A few with legal certificates are allowed to argue cases when supervised by seasoned prosecutors. "The point is to get up there and get comfortable in front of the court," said Alex MacDonald, a rising third year at William and Mary. "It's such a high."
Maydosz graduated from Norfolk Collegiate School and earned her degree in philosophy from U.Va. She received a small stipend from law school for working a public service job.
Maydosz plans to graduate a semester early, take the bar exam in February and start sending out resumes. She hopes a few months head-start on her classmates will pay off with a full-time, professional job.

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Did I miss something? Where
Did I miss something? Where in this article does it say anyone is asking for sympathy. This is just the 19th example this week in this paper of people posting their disdain toward others, their happiness that other people have troubles, their jealousy of others making a dollar more an hour than them, their complete and very annoying generalizations about other groups, etc. etc. Now that's the amusing part of all this.
There's a difference between today's graduates and yesterday's..
The big difference is that all of the 2011 and beyond law school graduates entered into law school POST economic collapse and therefore knew (to a certain extent) what they were getting into. For the last 3 years, it has been no secret how bad the job market is... even for those with advanced degrees. If you went to law school in 2008 to avoid the bad economy, you shouldn't be surprised that your $100K "investment" isn't paying off for you now. It's unfortunate, sure, but law students are smart kids, so this should not have taken them by surprise. The people who entered law school in 2005, then graduated right when the crash happened are a bit different, because they couldn't see it coming.
Besides, the job experience is valuable.
Feel sorry for them?
Somehow we're supposed to feel sorry for these people? I don't think so. I did a number of unpaid internships when I went through college. That was how you got experience and material for your resume. It wasn't easy, but it wasn't supposed to be. Those that stuck with it, got good positions.
In this day and age, it is very difficult for anyone but attorneys to have sympathy for attorneys. America is drowning in lawsuits. The last thing needed right now is encouraging more attorneys.
Laywers ain't worth a damn,
Laywers ain't worth a damn, until you need one !!!
Just what we need...
more lawyers...
Internships are part of the learning process. I wasn't paid for mine, either. Remember, you chose the profession, not the other way around...
This Made My Morning! HAHAHAHA
With a financial crisis looming over this nation created by the very law makers that these schools educated, don't ask me for sympathy. You want to get 'paid' for your internships? Here: take minimum wage; its called public service for a reason. You don't like that these law firms are not paying you for your internships? Sue them, good luck, don't come crying to the public for your shortfalls. What was your mindset going to school for a job in an already over-saturated field? Maybe: 'I'm going to make a lot of money being a trial lawyer like in that John Grisham novel I read'. Get over it, your lack of foresight shows me that you are a great fit for flipping burgers, serving drinks, training pets, or doing whatever it is that your doing. GL
so sorry
Every internship I took in college was unpaid. I took 1 per semester my Jr & Sr year. I never got paid a penny. I even did it while I was a student/athlete. What it gave me was how the profession I wanted to go into worked and how to use what I have learned. Student teachers didn't get paid either. If you kiddies want to be lawyers then make the sacrifices we did. Sorry.
Federal law requires every
Federal law requires every intern doing work to be paid, unless the program is for credit through the school. Student teachers get college credit; therefore they do not need to be paid. Law offices that ask students to work for free are violating the law and they should know better; they should ask the student interns to research the matter and provide a memo or two to the business manager, then pay them.
Hey now, chasing ambulances is a learned art
If you can't run with the big dogs, you need to stay on the porch.
I Se
the scum begins form on you right about now.
Why don't you stay in school and learn how to MAKE SOMETHING; be part of the solution, not part of the problem.