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Virginia Beach officials eye Tide ridership numbers

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VIRGINIA BEACH

Newtown Road is the eastern end of the line for light rail. A yellow metal beam across the tracks blocks the train from moving farther, and a fence emphasizes the dividing line between Norfolk, which has The Tide, and Virginia Beach, which doesn't.

But Thursday morning, three of the five passengers waiting under a shelter to hop the train to Norfolk were Beach residents. It'll be years - if ever - before they'll be able to catch it in their own city.

"Virginia Beach needs to get on top of this," said Stephanie Riddick, who has taken The Tide three times this week to attend classes at Tidewater Community College's downtown Norfolk campus.

Lee Edmondson and his wife drove from the Pungo area in southern Virginia Beach to test out light rail.

"It would be nice to hook it up to Town Center or the Oceanfront," Edmondson said.

Light-rail proponents in Virginia Beach have been buoyed by the packed parking lot at the Newtown Road stop, the initially high ridership numbers and the generally positive reviews from the public in the train's first week of operation.

"It's great to see the way it's been embraced," Beach Mayor Will Sessoms said. "Virginia Beach residents are spending money in Norfolk. I'd like to return the favor."

Still, Sessoms said he doesn't expect light rail to be on the fast track to Virginia Beach.

Federal transit officials want more-accurate and long-term ridership numbers for the Norfolk light-rail line to evaluate the effectiveness of extending The Tide to Virginia Beach, Sessoms said.

And the Beach needs federal money to bring The Tide to the city.

With free rides and the novelty of the train, Hampton Roads Transit officials always expected opening use to be at least double the estimated average daily ridership of 2,900 people. Still, about 13,000 people a day have hopped on The Tide this week. The Newtown Road station has been one of the busiest, and HRT has opened an overflow parking lot there, said Tom Holden, an HRT spokesman.

Vice Mayor Louis Jones said the enthusiasm over light rail's launch is to be expected. But it's irrelevant to how much The Tide will be used in the long term.

"They've had a celebration and a good time, but that's it," Jones said. "An opening of that sort is no criteria on which to base a decision on whether to move forward with light rail in Virginia Beach."

Critics have told him they still oppose bringing the line to Virginia Beach because of the cost, Jones said.

The Beach is under no pressure to rush the study or decision process, he said.

Last spring, HRT officials delayed until 2013 the completion of a $6.6 million Beach light-rail study so they could incorporate Norfolk ridership numbers. That means the City Council won't be able to decide on the project, or on whether to hold a referendum on an extension, until late 2013.

The estimated cost of extending light rail 12 miles from Newtown Road to the Oceanfront is $807 million. That extension is estimated to be the least likely to qualify for federal money, in part because ridership isn't expected to be high enough to justify the cost, according to the initial study. But less-expensive alternatives, such as stretching the line from Newtown Road to Town Center, would cost $254 million.

The Beach bought the 10.6-mile abandoned rail line the city is considering for light rail for $40 million, including $10 million in city money.

After more than a year of news about light rail's cost overruns, HRT's mismanagement of the project, and launch delays, the line's initial success is a relief to some Beach council members.

It may help to convince a few skeptical Beach residents of the merits of extending the line, Councilman Glenn Davis said.

"At the end of the day, it still comes down to cost," Davis said. "It's not going to hurt that it opened up to such great success."

Deirdre Fernandes, (757) 222-5121, deirdre.fernandes@pilotonline.com

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3 Weeks of Ridership numbers, let's spend half a billion!!

yes exactly what I'd expect from a board that spent almost double what was the projected cost of the Tide in Norfolk (oh yeah, and lying about the actual costs)! Using 3 weeks worth of data to spend hundreds of millions more in taxpayer dollars!..BRILLIANT!!! Andwhy not? Without expansion, who needs a board for the Tide?!!! So, let's do the math. A family of four can get in a car, drive to Norfolk and back and maybe use a half gallon of gas, $2.00, parking, $5.00, total $7.00 OR ride the Tide at 4 x$1.50, 4x$1.00 = $10.00, and I have to drive to a light rail station or take a bus at another fare per person. Wait until the novelty wears off before spending anymore taxpayer money in Virginia Beach! I'd also love to see how they're going to handle tra

Lightrail

Apparently you enjoy sitting in the horrendous traffic jams that occur at least twice a day? Your "calculations" are flawed. You haven't added in what it costs to sit and idle on the freeways and the cost in time sitting in almost total gridlock daily. Three, six, eight mile backups are an every day occurance. The traffic is worse than it is in much larger cities like Washington DC and even New York City. I ride "The Tide" from Newtorn Rd and it's the easiest way to get to and from downtown Norfolk I've experienced in many years. Look forward to riding it to the beach (if I live that long). Congratulations, Norfolk, for once again leading the way. That's why VaBch will always be #2.

Well Mike

Are you willing to help out with the billion bucks it will cost to build twenty miles of track and stations to cover the hot spots of Va. Beach?

Yes, if......

First, that is a grossly inflated figure. Second, I would support spending the local money to match state and federal funds to extend the Tide through Virginia Beach if it can be constructed at a price that is among the lowest costs per mile in the nation.

I really like

the way all of these people rave about how nice the tide is and then find out that they live somewhere else. In other words they do not have to foot the huge bill it takes to build it and maintain it. I love the way these outsiders try to financial decisions for places other than their own cities.

Has it occurred to you . . .

That those people who don't live in Hampton Roads used to live here until they got tired of living here?

Light Rail

As someone who grew up in Hampton Roads and visits often to see the family, I will use light rail as much as possible. Extending light rail all the way to the oceanfront is a great idea. Next time we go to a Tides game or want to go downtown, we will take the train, beats the hassle of parking and traffic. If it ran to the ocean front, we would take it there too, same reasons. Wake up people, with rising fuel cost and having to pay to park, light rail is a great idea.
Recent trip to Baltimore, we stayed on the north end near Timonium (cheaper room rates) rode the metro downtown to the Inner Harbor, didn't have to pay for parking or worry about driving. It was really nice.

The only posters claiming

The only posters claiming that we should base the decision on extending to the Beach on the successful launch of the Tide is the naysayers, the critics, and the protestors. Those in support are pleased about a successful launch because it has introduced the Tide to thousands of potential riders, and that is good from our standpoint. These boo birds are showing real signs of hysterical opposition to this increase in choice on how to get around in the I-264 corridor. Why light rail, which after all is just an easy way to get around for some people, would engender this reaction is hard to understand. But with residents at the Beach showing their support herein, and by riding the Tide as well, the chances we can get it extended are good.

How about we fund the beach

How about we fund the beach line with increase in building permits for new construction?

You could do that, fund it

You could do that, fund it with higher license fees, but it's not going to penalize the builder/developer. They'll just pass that cost right along to the buyer/renter.

So all your idea will really accomplish is to hurt the taxpayers and not the developers.

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