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U.S. House to vote on Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act

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By Seung Min Kim

If congressional gun-rights stalwarts get their way, a firearms owner with a concealed-weapons permit issued in Utah could be allowed to carry that gun in New York — regardless of the gun laws in the Empire State.

But as the House prepares to vote on a bill Wednesday that would allow that and please a core GOP constituency, critics are throwing another core Republican belief back at the party: states’ rights.

GOP backers of the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act — which would allow those with a concealed-weapons permit in one state to carry their firearms elsewhere as long as that state also allows concealed carrying — say they don’t see that as an issue.

“It’s kind of like having a driver’s license,” said Rep. Trent Franks (R-Ariz.), a vocal supporter of the bill who penned an op-ed in USA Today this week on the measure. “There are some states that have stricter driving laws than others.”

But their opponents — including one prominent Republican — are crying foul over the measure, arguing that the bill goes against the Republican Party’s core belief in states’ rights.

Rep. Dan Lungren of California was the sole GOP lawmaker on the House Judiciary Committee to reject the measure.

“It’s a clash of two interests: Second Amendment rights and the 10th Amendment, the idea of federalism,” Lungren said in an interview Tuesday. “I think it’s a states’ rights issue.”

Still, the bill has the support of a broad base of Republicans, as well as some Democrats.

“I don’t think it’s a violation of states’ rights because it doesn’t repeal any right that a state has to have or not have its own laws,” said Rep. Charlie Bass (R-N.H.). “The fact is, we have a tradition in this country of upholding other states’ laws [and] allowing them to apply in other states.”

Currently, every state except Illinois issues some form of a concealed weapons permit that allows those who are licensed to carry guns. Standards and requirements vary from state to state — with some locations mandating more stringent training and background checks than others.

The patchwork of laws and requirements governing gun permits — and the fact that smaller groups of states have already agreed to accept each other’s gun permits — shows a need for some national standard on firearms licensing, advocates say.

“We need to have a uniform standard so that gun owners know that they’re not in legal jeopardy when they’re abiding by the law when they travel among states,” said Pennsylvania Rep. Jason Altmire, one of the several moderate Democrats who have backed the bill.

Last week, Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.) sent a letter to President Barack Obama asking him to issue a veto threat on the bill, which they argued would force states, such as theirs, with stricter laws to “accept the weakest standards in the nation.”

As of Tuesday, the White House had given no statement of policy on the issue.

“It is particularly surprising for congressional Republicans to be pushing a measure that directly goes against their deep-rooted support for states’ rights,” Lautenberg and McCarthy wrote to Obama. “Indeed, under H.R. 822, state gun-safety laws would be rendered moot.”

In a letter last month, New York state Attorney General Eric Schneiderman urged Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to oppose the bill if it came up in the Senate, charging that the measure would force almost every state to abandon its own gun laws.

For instance, the state of New York requires all gun license applicants to undergo a background check and a mental health review — measures that are not required in other states, Schneiderman said.

“This would create a lowest common denominator approach to public safety that would increase the threat to New Yorkers, impede the ability of law enforcement to do its job and undermine the will of our citizens as expressed through their duly elected state legislators,” Schneiderman wrote.

Brian Malte, director of mobilization for The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said Nevada and New Mexico formerly had an arrangement with Utah to recognize one another’s gun permits but ended those agreements because of Utah’s relatively lax concealed-carry requirements.

The current bill’s sponsor, Rep. Cliff Stearns (R-Fla.), said he acknowledges critics’ concerns over states’ rights but said, “I think to a certain extent, the deterrent value and the feeling of self-defense … has to be recognized here.”

The legislation, which Stearns introduced with Rep. Heath Shuler (D-N.C.), appears on track for swift passage. It has 245 co-sponsors, including several moderate Democrats, and the rule for the bill passed Tuesday 271-153, indicating that it should pass easily when it comes up for a final vote Wednesday. Thirty-five Democrats voted in favor of the rule.

The measure has support from House Republican leadership. During his weekly briefing with reporters on Monday, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) defended putting the bill on the floor for a House vote.

“We are supportive of Second Amendment rights in the majority,” Cantor said.

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Guns

Damn the States of New Jersey, New York and Illinois. It is these States that a Federal Law will be coming down the pipeline baby.. Power to the GUN...

Bill passed house on 11/16

vote was 272 yes, 154 no. Link http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/thomas

states rights?

States Rights? Yes states have rights.but the bill of rights gives us the people rights that NO State can take away. A state can only give you more rights, not take them away.I live in Maryland, we have a ccp law and you can apply for a permit all you want, but you are not going to get it unless you are rich or a cop.most states put there ccp process in the hands of a normal state govt dept, but not maryland we put it not in the hands of the elected but in the hands of the state police. talk about a police state.my 2nd amenment rights? i am lucky the people republic of maryland lets me own a tv,radio,newspaper or maybe i will have to reg what church i go to. they are all cover be the bill of rights. but states rights can't take your rights!

The Bill of Rights does not

The Bill of Rights does not gurantee you the right to concealed carry. Sorry.

Precident is important

and the precedent this would set would also imply reciprocity applied to Gay marriage recognition, health care reforms, Medical marijuana initiatives and other issues those who worship guns might not support.

And some of us

And some of us who support gun rights think that the Govt has (or should have) very little to say on those issues.

The govt needs to stay out of MY WALLET, out of my gun cabinet, out of my uterus, out of etc etc et al ad naseum.

In theory I agree, however

In theory I agree, however the legal standing is a bit backwards as one is an attempt at instituting a federal law or change while the others would be state laws applying to the federal level. Of course you cannot do this. But I do feel that the federal government should address those issues in a constructive and realistic manner. To say that it is in effect hypocrisy may be short sighted because I don't believe the rank and file voters are as loyal to these issues as is reported or perceived.

"The measure has support from House Republican leadership".

Of course they support the measure..........NRA lobbyists own these people, lock stock and barell, we all know it, the proposed law was probably written by an NRA lobbyist in Cantor's office on Capiol Hill.

"Other than telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, now, die,
Republicans have done a fine job of getting government out of our personal lives..”

Update?

Is there an update? Other news sources are reporting there has been a vote.

Pilot... please update?

Deaths

In 2007 there were 3443 accidental deaths associated with pools

http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/water-safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html

In 2007 there were 613 accidental gun deaths

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2744205/posts (data gleaned from CDC WISQARS)

We need to ban pools?

Please don't take this old lady's right and ability to defend herself away.

I'm ready to meet my maker, the question criminals need to ask themselves, are they?

I travel a lot (grand kids are the greatest!!). I have a VA CCW and a FL CCW (good in a lot more states!!). I would love to have a national carry.

Seniors support freedom, and we support protection from criminals, thugs and other ne'er do wells.

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