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ODU protest draws many in guns-on-campus debate

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Pro- and anti-gun demonstrators squared off Tuesday at Old Dominion University, which is moving to tighten its rules restricting guns on campus.

The two groups faced each other from opposite sites of Kaufman Mall outside Webb University Center.

The gun-rights group, organized by the Virginia Citizens Defense League and the ODU College Republicans, wore stickers saying, "Guns save lives" and "No guns? No funds," encouraging gun-rights advocates to withhold donations to ODU if it tightens restrictions. Several of the demonstrators carried holstered pistols.

The gun-control group, organized by the Virginia Center for Public Safety and the ODU Young Democrats, held signs saying, "No guns on campus" and chanted, "Books, not bullets."

Over the course of the afternoon, several dozen people joined each side. There were a few heated discussions, but for the most part the two groups kept their distance from each other.

ODU administrators have drafted a regulation for consideration by the university's governing Board of Visitors at its December meeting that would ban guns - including those carried by concealed-weapon permit holders - from campus buildings and sports events.

Like most Virginia state colleges and universities, ODU already has a policy banning guns from campus. But Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli ruled in a July opinion that such policies do not apply to holders of concealed-weapon permits.

In order to ban those guns, Cuccinelli said, universities would have to enact a regulation, which has the force of law.

Tuesday's demonstrations were the first in a series planned over the next few weeks as other Virginia universities consider similar regulations.

A pro-gun demonstration is scheduled for Nov. 17 at Virginia Tech. Philip Van Cleave, president of the gun-rights group, said the group also plans to demonstrate at the University of Virginia and George Mason, Virginia Commonwealth, James Madison and Radford universities.

T.J. Mercier, an ODU senior who joined the gun-rights demonstration, said the university's proposed regulation would create a "victim disarmament zone."

"It wouldn't disarm criminals," he said. "It would disarm people who are trying to protect themselves."

Four of the gun-control demonstrators were family members of students killed or wounded in the 2007 Virginia Tech massacre, the deadliest shooting rampage in U.S. history, in which 32 people were killed by a gunman, who then killed himself.

Andrew Goddard, president of the gun-control group, is the father of Colin Goddard, who was wounded in the Tech massacre. He said the group plans to continue shadowing the gun-rights demonstrators at other Virginia campuses.

"The message that there weren't enough guns on the Virginia Tech campus that day is crazy," Goddard said. "I'd say there were two too many."

Seung-Hui Cho, the Tech gunman, was armed with two semi-automatic handguns.

Jeanette Richardson of Newport News said she joined the gun-control demonstration because that's what her son, Patrick, would have wanted.

Patrick Richardson was shot dead in front of their house while he was home from college on Christmas break in 2004. He had become a gun-control activist after watching the movie "Bowling for Columbine," about the Columbine High School massacre in Colorado in 1999, his mother said.

"He said, 'Mom, this gun situation is out of control,' " she said. " 'Kids need to know that this is the No. 1 way they die.' "

Bill Sizemore, (757) 446-2276, bill.sizemore@pilotonline.com

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facts

ODU records show that in 2008, university officials investigated just 26 cases of student drug-abuse violations. By 2010, that number had climbed to 115, a jump of more than 300 percent.

In a related story

"Felder and another man were accused of robbing a 20-year-old student at gunpoint on Dec. 15 as the student walked home from an exam."

http://hamptonroads.com/2011/11/robbery-charges-dropped-december-odu-robbery-case

But the gun ban folks want us to believe that the crime never happens to students traveling to/from classes and that the campus is a safe eutopia where all is peacefull and nothing bad ever happens.

Welcome to the real world.

BTW, I don't carry, but I respect and appreciate those who do.

It's all about perspective

Q: What do you call a liberal who's just been robbed at gunpoint?

A: A conservative.

President Ronald Reagan was

President Ronald Reagan was shot despite his armed Secret Service. That's an example of guns not preventing a crime.
What came out of it was a Bill called Brady which was vehemently opposed by 2nd amendment lovers. The Brady Act requires a background check before a firearm could be purchase. This liberal backed Bill passed with the help of the NRA's Wayne LaPierre. More importantly Ronald Reagan supported the Bill. Did you know Richard Nixon called guns an abomination. He wanted to making handguns illegal. How about George Bush Sr. banning the import of assault weapons. Rudolph Giuliani sued 26 gun manufacturers. George Pataki signed into law the requirement of gun locks and background checks at gun shows. All Republicans. Imagine that.

Brady Wants To End Gun Ownership

Actually, the original Brady Bill wanted long mandatory waiting periods. It was NRA that drafted and lobbied for what would eventually become the National Instant Check System (NICS) which allows gun sellers to instantly access the National Crime Information Center (NCIC) data base for red flags that might prevent the sale. In fact, my state of South Carolina initiated a similar interim system where the gun seller relayed the information via phone to the SC State Law Enforcement Division in Columbia. The system worked so well that it was incorporated into the Brady Bill -- to the howls and protests of the Brady Campaign -- and implemented nationwide. Brady doesn't just want to keep guns from criminals. They want an end to gun ownership.

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Edit purchase = purchased
making = make

Just to Clarify:

This issue has nothing to do with “Guns in the classroom” or vigilantes on campus. The item being protested is that ODU’s policy for no weapons on campus applies exclusively to students and does not carry legal consequence. What Broderick’s regulation will do is apply force of law to anyone in the designated areas with a handgun regardless of student status or law abiding history. I think Mr. Van Cleave made his point quite eloquently such that violating a regulation hardly holds a candle to a capital murder offense. Being that laws are in place for violent crimes and VA is a capital punishment state; I don't see how imposing upon law abiding citizens to disarm before visiting ODU ameliorates the high rate of violent crime nearby.

If you are relying on the

If you are relying on the police, campus or otherwise, to save your heiney when someone starts trouble or shooting, they won't be there. In another, unrelated article, in the paper it tells of a State Trooper that was raped and held in her house for THREE DAYS. Where were the police then? Why didn't anyone check on her? Could something like this happen on the ODU campus? Obviously yes, but it also proves what many concealed weapon permit holders know, that just because you have a firearm does NOT mean you are safe but at least if you have the opportunity you have the means which is a lot better than having the chance to save yourself but not the means to do so.
Pacifity doesn't work either, you still get raped, beaten or killed.

As a responsible gun owner

As a responsible gun owner who doesn't get worked up and start waving the American flag, reciting the second ammendment or referencing Seung-Hui Cho a million times, I'm going to respect ODU's decision to regulate guns on campus. If you think ODU is a crime ridden campus then I suggest you learn somewhere else. Like I said before, a campus is a place for peaceful learning. We shouldn't let these few tell us to fear for our lives 24/7. I've been on campus. Students go about their business as usual. Studying, meeting with friends, socializing. I see students walking alone, riding their bikes alone without the assistance of gun toting vigilantes. lol, gun toters.

Freedoms here, get your freedoms

Get these regulations passed so students can go to class in peace without some paranoid gun toter sitting behind them. After reading some of these comments, some of these gun toters want to do more than just defend themselves, they want to police the campus too. Uh no, I don't want a reactionary paranoid individual making a dumb mistake and illegally shooting someone. Your purpose is to learn not police. Cho is dead. He killed himself. Get over the paranoia. I remember that story of a father who heard noises in a closet, takes his gun, opens the door and fires blindly. It was his daughter playing. He killed her.
You don't think gun toters don't make mistakes? Watch this
http://youtu.be/Et33bbA0GeM

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