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Ten Commandments suit in Va. survives challenge

Posted to: Education Federal Government News Virginia

By Laurence Hammack

ROANOKE

A judge today declined to dismiss a lawsuit challenging a display of the Ten Commandments in a Giles County school, setting the stage for a long legal battle.

U.S. District Judge Michael Urbanski said there are too many unknown facts about the case to throw it out now for legal reasons.

"Facts matter," the judge said. "You can’t just apply a one-size-fits-all because the facts are very different" in prior cases involving the Ten Commandments.

The ruling is a setback for the Giles County School Board, which was sued in September for a display of the Ten Commandments in Narrows High School. A student at the school contends in the lawsuit that the board’s action amounted to a governmental endorsement of religion – which is prohibited by the First Amendment.

As for the identity of the student, Urbanski gave lawyers 14 days to work out the details of a protective order sought by the American Civil Liberties Union, which filed the lawsuit.

The ACLU has argued that bitter opposition in the community to the lawsuit makes it necessary to keep the identity of the student and his or her parent a secret.

Previous story below:

The plaintiffs' chairs will be empty today in a federal courtroom when lawyers debate a display of the Ten Commandments that hangs in a hallway of Narrows High School.

A student at the school sued the Giles County School Board two months ago, alleging that the display violates the constitutional separation of church and state.

The case is scheduled to be argued at 2 p.m. in U.S. District Court in Roanoke.

One of the first questions for Judge Michael Urbanski will relate to the empty chairs: Should the student and a parent, referred to in court papers only as Doe 1 and Doe 2, be allowed to remain anonymous?

The American Civil Liberties Union, which with the Freedom From Religion Foundation represents the student and his or her parent, is asking for a protective order to shield them from possible backlash in a community where support for God's words in the schools is fervent.

"Maintaining anonymity is important to me because I fear that if my involvement was made public, I would experience social ostracism, harassment, or threats from my school peers or community members," the unnamed student wrote in an affidavit.

The ACLU is asking that the student and parent not be required to appear in open court, and their testimony be taken by deposition with no public disclosure of their names.

Liberty Counsel, a Christian-based legal group that is representing the school board for free, is objecting to the request.

If members of the school board cannot be told who is suing them, as the ACLU is asking, they would in effect be "bound and gagged" and unable to defend themselves, lawyers for Liberty Counsel wrote in court papers.

The idea of secret plaintiffs also undermines the fundamental principle of open courts, the school board contends. "The people have a right to know who is using their courts," its lawyers wrote in court briefs.

Also at today's hearing, lawyers are expected to argue the merits of the underlying lawsuit.

Liberty Counsel has filed a motion to dismiss the case, arguing that the school board cannot be held responsible for the Ten Commandments display because it played no role -- and provided no funding -- in its placement.

In June, the board voted 3-2 to allow a private citizen to rehang the Ten Commandments along with eight historical documents -- including the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence -- as part of a broader presentation on American law and government.

Such a defense is "absurd," the ACLU said in court papers, arguing that the school board caved to the same public uproar that now makes it necessary to keep the plaintiffs anonymous.

"The community has already expressed considerable animus toward these plaintiffs," ACLU of Virginia legal director Rebecca Glenberg said. "If their identities are revealed, there is no doubt they will become targets of much more direct harassment."

The ACLU has cited angry emails it received and comments at public hearings as evidence of the community's outrage. Such comments are inadmissible hearsay, Liberty Counsel maintains, and offer no proof that the plaintiffs have been threatened with physical or mental harm.

A final resolution is unlikely today. Judges in federal court usually listen to arguments from attorneys and issue a ruling in writing later.

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If this person....

doesn't like it, then they don't have to look! Why should the so called "rights" of one be preferred over the rights of others in this case. If something is right for someone and not for me then good for them. I won't make a stupid big deal over it. I may like something they don't. Not my problem. Live and let live. If you don't like a song on the radio or a tv show you turn the channel. Like I said, if they don't like it don't look.

If one gets up then all have to go up

I have a laminated copy of the Wiccan Rede that I could donate to the cause, it's a heck of a lot nicer than the Decalogue.

"All acts of pleasure are Her ritual"

I could go on, but there is a character limit on this post...

Pub. L. 107-293, Sec. 1, Nov. 13, 2002, 116 Stat. 2057...

"Congress finds the following: On July 21, 1789, on the same day that it approved the Establishment Clause concerning religion, the First Congress of the United States also passed the Northwest Ordinance, providing for a territorial government for lands northwest of the Ohio River, which declared: 'Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.'"

Howsomever,

We, (meaning Va), are not northwest of the Ohio river. Besides, I do believe the constitutional bar against endorsing a religion takes precedence. (I don't care WHAT McDonnellsays)

Anonymous plaintiff

Here is why the plaintiff wants his or her identity withheld:

Whaon Fowler, an atheist student at Bastrop High School in Louisiana, was about to graduate. His public school was planning to have a prayer as part of the graduation ceremony: as they traditionally did, as so many public schools around the country do every year. But Fowler -- knowing that government-sponsored prayer in the public schools is unconstitutional and legally forbidden -- contacted the school superintendent to let him know that he opposed the prayer, and would be contacting the ACLU if it happened. The school -- at first, anyway -- agreed, and canceled the prayer.
Then Fowler's name, and his role in this incident, was leaked. As a direct result:

1) Fowler has been hounded

Here's the rest

1) Fowler has been hounded, pilloried, and ostracized by his community.

2) One of Fowler's teachers has publicly demeaned him.

3) Fowler has been physically threatened. Students have threatened to "jump him" at graduation practice, and he has received multiple threats of bodily harm, and even death threats.

4) Fowler's parents have cut off his financial support, kicked him out of the house, and thrown his belongings onto the front porch.

With that in mind, I can totally understand why the student and parents in Giles County might want to remain anonymous.

Who and why

"Mene, mene, tekel, upharsin"
Is anyone claiming credit for this?
or
"The moving finger writes, and having writ moves on--"
or
Could it be classified as graffiti?

Whatever, I still stand by my contention that either it is part of a display containing sayings from multiple religions Christian and non-Christian alike, or it is a declaration that this is a Christian school, and as such cannot receive taxpayer funding.

What would Antony Flew

What would Antony Flew say--
We must follow the argument wherever it leads-Socrates

The arrogance of atheism is

The arrogance of atheism is diminishing them.

Really all of this arguing is unnecessary

You(people on both sides of the issue)can pick and choose verses to "back up" your position, but the argument will never be resolved here, because the truth is belief in God is an act of faith. People who have faith believe, and people who don't have faith, don't believe. This is a basic truth no matter what religion you are talking about.

Believe what you want. I believe that Jesus died for our sins, that "none should perish". You don't have to believe that, it's your choice.

If in the end I'm wrong, I've been comforted by my faith, and lost a little time reading, praying and trying to be a better person.

If in the end you're (collectively non-believers) wrong, what have you lost? Everything.

It's your choice period.

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