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NORFOLK
Perhaps no public project in modern times has been subject to as much community input in Norfolk as the proposed redevelopment of Waterside.
At the insistence of Mayor Paul Fraim, more than a dozen public hearings, focus groups and presentations have been held. More than 3,000 suggestions came from residents along with recommendations from a five-person panel of urban experts.
But now that the city is nearing a decision on what to do with Waterside, most of the discussion has moved behind closed doors.
Waterside Associates, a private group chartered by the city's housing authority, sought requests for proposals to redevelop the downtown riverfront retail facility last fall. City officials said that five proposals were received by the Dec. 16 deadline.
Assistant City Manager Stanley A. Stein told the City Council last week that the proposals will, for the time being, remain private. They are being examined by a six-person committee, including himself and City Manager Marcus Jones.
Until that meeting, when Councilman Barclay C. Winn asked for an explanation, council members said they were unaware of the process set up by Jones.
"I didn't have a clue," Winn said.
Stein said that if the group determines any of the proposals is worth pursuing, the council will receive a presentation in a closed meeting. The group would then try to negotiate a deal with a developer or developers. The process could take months, he said.
Jones declined to respond to a request for an interview on the issue. Spokeswoman Lori Crouch, who said she was speaking for him, said all five proposals eventually will be made public.
"Marcus is committed to making all of the proposals public," she said. "He knows it's important that the public see everything that was considered."
However, she and Stein acknowledged they likely won't be made public until after a decision is reached.
City Council largely expressed approval of the process, but disappointment that it has taken so long. In 2010, the council pledged to decide what to do with Waterside by the end of the year. More recently, Jones said a decision would be made by December.
"I was hoping we would have something we could start working on this month," said Councilwoman Theresa Whibley, who represents downtown.
Vice Mayor Anthony L. Burfoot said he's also upset that "Marcus made a commitment to make this decision in December, and December has come and gone."
He said he also has questions about the process. Fraim and one other council member should be part of the committee that evaluates proposals, he said.
"At the end of the day, I'm going to be held accountable for this decision," he said. "All of us are. Elected officials need to be a part of this process."
Winn said he "respectfully disagrees" with Burfoot. "Marcus and his group will present us with the strongest proposals. I'm fine with that."
Stein said the committee will consider public input as it evaluates proposals. The group might also hire a consultant to help it decide.
Jones and Stein will be joined on the evaluation committee by housing chief executive officer Shurl Montgomery, Assistant City Manager Darrell Hill, City Attorney Bernard A. Pishko and Chuck Rigney, the acting development director.
Cathy Coleman, who leads the Downtown Norfolk Council, an entity funded in part with public dollars that promotes downtown, said the city is acting appropriately.
"Developers can be challenged by the public process," she said. "Sometimes you get better work if it's done out of the public eye in the early part of the process. But at some point, when it's a public space that's being considered, it clearly needs to be brought forward."
Harry Minium, (757) 446-2371, harry.minium@pilotonline.com

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Redevelop Waterside w/ true highest & best use.
The City of Norfolk must bite the bullet now while construction costs are down and completely redevelop Waterside with a true highest and best use, likely a high rise high density mixed use vertical development and marina making the most of the land, which is likely worth more on its own (vacant), currently, than what the existing improvements are currently contributing to the overall value making it's use obsolete. To do anything less would likely lead to continued failure. I believe Waterside will never succeed, "as-is," given the current land values expose the improvements as under-developed, and functionally obsolete given its lack of density that could otherwise support the high downtown land value.
Casino! Casino! Casino!
The waterside complex is tailor-made for a casino operation. The potential is endless. Cooperation with Portsmouth in introducing a similar outfit on their side would potentially jump start this area into the big time. Engaging in a truly regional effort to tie in the history, military (always a great attention getter from those not used to being around them), weather, etc., this area could resonate from all of NE NC to Charlottesville! Then concepts like light rail become truly viable, and are worth expanding as much as possible. This area could be another Orlando, FL, and/or Atlantic City, if the vision is allowed to take root, and acted on. Waterside could be that start. It makes so much sense that I'm confident it will never happen!
drink your kool aid and be quiet.It's done. Waterside is just..
a memory. the demolition and reconstruction is to begin. that's how the elected are lining their pockets. they failed on tidewater dr., oye. Waterfront construction is on,(Same company), law offices, professional spaces, pay top dollar, did you miss the ground breaking for the new court HOUSES. Lawyers need near by spaces, wells fargo bldg. is private/waterside is NRHA and mucho $ for council members.follow the $$. Adeiu Waterside and transparency.Thank You Stanley for all your years of service to the citizens of norfolk.you are one of the dieing breed.thank you.now the city burns as Micheal Mohamad predicted in the '90's. in a council meeting.and NERO plays his harp, remember vice mayor Hester; get a 2nd job, to pay your prperty taxescitiz
why the closed meetings? I mean, is the norfolk city
council that afraid of receiving input from a group in an open forum? Closed meetings should only be for working on issues that deal with an individual. Anything else the City does is the PEOPLE's Business. They are suppose to be representing the PEOPLE. While the People elected them to office, the office and the decisions coming out of the office is for the PEOPLE. As such, closed meetings should be an exception, not a norm. The People should be entitled to hear how their representatives make decisions. They don't have to take inputs from the citizens, but the presentations and the decisions/debate about the decisions should and some would say must be done in the open.
BTW, if the choo choo went to waterside, would WS have died?
If the train was elevated
If the train was elevated and stopped at Waterside and MacArthur (on the 2nd levels) that'd have been awesome.
Whatever becomes of Waterside, it will always have the potential to rock hard, if done correctly.
what private really means
When government officials meet in public that can only mean as a taxpayer they are up to no good. Norfolk, bend over here it comes again.
Casino House Always Wins
Several of the voting categories could have been combined: theater, entertainment, arts, bowling, marketplace, and dining. Could have added farmers market and comedy club. If you eliminate "tear it down" (won't generate jobs) and add up the others, the total is near "Casinos."
In a casino, you only win by luck and not everyone is lucky so the house always wins. Even the best poker players lose most days. Having recently visited a casino, the first thing that I noticed was a musical tone being played over the speakers. Sounded like ta da! constantly and subliminally being played to build excitement and anticipation. It was like a wonderland inside, but Mad Max only a few blocks away. You may not like what you're asking for in the long run.
For most people, gambling in
For most people, gambling in a casino is just another form of entertainment. You can't win your money back when you pay to see a movie, but no one says we shouldn't have movie theaters.
Does it matter what the people say?
Since Norfolk decides what to do and does not listen to the citizens does it make a difference?
Marcus Jones: Part of what makes Marcus Jones great (Not NFK)
This is why we need to do away with this archaic method of running the City of Norfolk. Marcus Jones answers to NO ONE, obviously, since the only person even vaguely in the loop about what he does is His Imperial Majesty Fraim. He consistently makes decisions on his own, doesn't even involve the ELECTED OFFICIALS of the City of Norfolk in them, and when present in Council meetings, makes sure everyone sees his complete boredom and disdain when citizens are speaking. Like this, he does what he thinks is best and doesn't at all respect the whole "transparency" issue that many governments are having to fight and obey these days.