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Conference center, marina pitched for Waterside

Posted to: Local Government News Norfolk Realty News Waterside

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A developer wants to transform the downtown waterfront to include a new conference center, two additional hotels, an office building, marina and seafood restaurant.

Harvey Lindsay Development, a Norfolk-based company, pitched its $200 million plan recently in response to a request for proposals to redevelop Waterside. Under the proposal, the dated and struggling facility would be a thing of the past, one local bank might expand its downtown presence and another company would move its regional offices there.

The proposal, one of five city leaders have said they've received, would not require a tax increase but would ask the city to contribute about $76 million from what could be described as taxpayer money. It would also require the city to borrow about $16 million from parking bonds.

According to a copy of the proposal, which The Virginian-Pilot obtained, much of three city blocks would get a makeover and all would connect to the waterfront through an elevated walkway with massive views of the Elizabeth River.

City Manager Marcus Jones declined to comment Monday on the proposal, and Mayor Paul Fraim did not respond to a message left at his office. Harvey Lindsay President William A. Hudgins also declined to comment via email when asked about the company's plans.

According to the proposal, Harvey Lindsay would partner with Clark Nexsen architects, W.M. Jordan Construction and Kaufman and Canoles Consulting on the project.

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Modeled after the High Line in New York City, the elevated walkway would connect Town Point Park across Waterside Drive and Main Street to the Slover Library on Plume Street. Illustrations depict the walkway with exhibits from the Chrysler Museum, Virginia Zoo and Norfolk Botanical Garden.

As part of the proposal, Clark Nexsen would move its regional offices from the Military Circle area into a $26 million downtown office tower, which would bring 350 employees with an average salary of $65,000. Harvey Lindsay is also in discussions with TowneBank to expand its downtown presence to help finance the project.

A 180-room, 16-story hotel would be constructed adjacent to the Slover Library.

Harvey Lindsay would ask the city to pay for most of the $65 million conference center, a cost the city has agreed to pay in previous agreements with developers.

The facility would be financed without raising taxes, the proposal indicates. The City Council began to set aside meals and hotels taxes in 2003 to pay for the center and has $15 million in the fund, according to the proposal. Harvey Lindsay would recruit a corporate sponsor to pay $6.5 million for the conference center's naming rights, according to the proposal.

The group would also ask for about $7 million in performance grants for the office building, hotels, restaurant and marina. Performance grants are rebates of a portion of taxes paid by businesses.

It asks the city to spend $16 million for more parking, with the cost being paid by users. The plans also call for an additional $4 million from the city to pay for improvements to pedestrian walkways. That money would come from the general fund, which is funded by taxes paid by residents.

The conference center probably will be the most controversial and yet intriguing part of the proposal because it calls for Waterside to be demolished.

Three business groups urged the city in 2010 to consider demolishing Waterside, but many civic leaders, and a group of urban experts, urged the city to retain the facility. Constructed in 1983 as a festival marketplace, the facility's blue, metal roof has become a symbol of downtown.

Although Waterside helped spark a downtown revival, it is now run down and more than half empty, officials acknowledge. Because MacArthur Center is now downtown's shopping area and Granby Street has emerged as an entertainment center, officials have struggled with determining Waterside's purpose.

However, Norfolk leaders have long sought a conference center, which they say would attract small, upscale meetings. City officials proposed several years ago to build a conference center and parking garage at Main and Granby streets in conjunction with a hotel. Although the project would have included large city subsidies, two developers backed out because of financial problems.

Harvey Lindsay has proposed building the Clark Nexsen office building and a 120-room hotel partly on the proposed conference center site at Main and Granby streets. A portion of the adjacent city-owned Selden Arcade would be demolished, but much of the building would be incorporated into the office building, with room for artists to continue to display their work.

The proposal would also rely on the existing Marriott and Sheraton hotels to essentially serve as anchors for the convention center, with the two new smaller hotels intended to expand the number of rooms downtown to nearly 2,000.

The conference center would offer 190,000 square feet of meeting space, including a 30,000-square foot exhibit hall. The hall could seat as many as 3,300 people.

Harvey Lindsay would also expand the waterfront marina and build a seafood restaurant there. Because the conference center would occupy less space than Waterside, waterfront parks would be expanded and harbor views would be restored for some downtown office workers.

Harvey Lindsay has developed several major projects locally, including the $320 million City Center at Oyster Point in Newport News.

The city has said that Jones will head a six-man committee that will evaluate all of the proposals. The council probably will be briefed on the proposals on Jan. 24 behind closed doors.

The city has agreed to make all five proposals public, but not until after a decision is made. The final call on which proposal is accepted is up to the council.

Harry Minium, 757-446-2371, harry.minium@pilotonline.com

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Outlook good!

Waterside was right for its time bringing life to downtown with an open outdoor look. By attracting businesses, including a great mall it made itself obsolete. Now we have this gem of a location and ideas abound. Many vote for Casino's, highlighting tax revenue, tourism, and jobs, jobs, jobs. We know Virginia currently blocks this legislatively. Proposed hotels (easily converted to casinos) may actually pave the way for more progressive future legislation. Marinas attract money and flaunt Norfolk's natural asset—the water, continuing the festive outdoor tradition. A convention center goes with tourism, casinos and hotels. A high walkway with water views connecting waterfront to downtown and expanding rail systems is people friendly. I'm in!

As someone who moved to

As someone who moved to Norfolk approx 2 years ago, I am extremely unimpressed with downtown Norfolk and Waterside. Whose brilliant idea was it to put a Hooters and Eat at Joes in such an amazing location?

Why is there no outdoor, middle to high end restaurant/bar/lounge in the space? I know there used to be violence, but why not keep out the riff raff with simple tricks like good bouncers, cheesy music, and expensive drinks?

Bottom line is that the space should be used to attract professionals who want to spend money... Where in Norfolk do successful professionals go to hang out? Oh yeah, they go to VA Beach! As for the family ideas, families don't spend that much money and will not sustain the property long term.

Umm.Did you read the article?

That's what Harvey Lindsay is proposing.

Question

Are we insane for considering this, or is it the developer insane in presenting it?

http://goo.gl/Cmsmw

Here we go again

The rendering looks like a bad take on the equally unattractive VB Convention Center. If these folks want to build it, let them pay for it. The economy is down, conventions are down. Interesting how this comes on the failure to convince VB to fund a hotel at the apparently not very busy convention center. Wasn't the Marriott supposed to be THE convention center, much like Scope and the old Golden Triangle were supposed to be THE convention venues in their day? And what happened to the last NEXT convention center-Westin?- that's now a vacant lot?

What to do with Waterside? First, eliminate Waterside Drive as a major traffic route. It cuts off Waterside and Town Point Park. Oh, that's right, this redo would probably destroy the park too.

conference ctr...

or convention ctr, let's call it by it's real name: Developer Welfare.

Two different cities with the $ame $ecret meeting$/agenda$ headed by twin Towne banker Mayor$ looking out for all of their friendS & ignoring their constituents until election time.

Isn't it time for a recall? After the bailout & mortgage disater, the last thing WE need is another banker in charge of ANYTHING! WE need to send them a message.

YOU guys have shown us that all you can come up with are bad deals & WE ALWAYS end up cleaning up YOUR messes! Have YOU no shame?

People are losing their homes, can't afford food or gas but YOU want to make sure YOUR elite friends get that $$$. It aint right!! It's more than filthy and offensive. It's a crime.

sounds like lots of

sounds like lots of construction jobs!

lol!! the island of norfolk spends more money it doesn't have.

Add up how many MILLIONS of dollars would be coming from the taxpayers. Then take a look at how many thousands of vehicles would be coming into an already over populated congested area. Then figure in the tolls that would have to be paid by anyone visiting or working at this joke. Then take a look at the drawings. What a JOKE! This thing looks like something that was thrown together back in the late fifties or sixties. If it looks run down before it's even built what will it look like when it's actually built? How will a convention center with all these additional cost compete with the toll free wide open easy access to highway convention centers in Suffolk or Portsmouth? It will take over an hour to leave Norfolk with more traffic.

design

the rendering ugly. i would suggest looking at the san diego ca convention center for design ideas.

white elephant

imperative not to build another white elephant. design must be completely functional and design withstand time.

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