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Navy: 8 California-based sailors discharged for hazing

Posted to: Military News

SAN DIEGO

Eight sailors have been discharged from the Navy after a hazing incident aboard a San Diego-based amphibious assault ship that was captured on video and included the choking of a fellow sailor, a Navy spokesman said Saturday.

The eight received general discharges following allegations they assaulted and choked the sailor aboard the ship, the Bonhomme Richard, as part of a rite to initiate the sailor into a new department, said Lt. Commander David McKinney.

McKinney said the assault, which took place Jan. 17 in the ship's berthing area, was videotaped, and the victim treated for injuries.

"He was choked out, evidently blacked out and had bruising," said McKinney.

The injuries were not serious, but the sailor sought treatment and reported the incident to his superiors, leading to the discharges, McKinney said.

The sailors, all from the junior ranks, made statements to investigators that amounted to confessions, McKinney said. They called the incident just roughhousing but the Navy considered it hazing, he said.

"When an incident like this happens, it's got to be taken care of," McKinney said. "It goes contrary to our core values."

One of the sailors seen in the video, Charlie Davis, 20, of Dallas, told ABC10 News that the attack was just "play wrestling" and "boys being boys," and he and others had been through the same thing earlier in the day.

"A couple of the guys wrestled me down and had fun with me and then shook my hand and welcomed me aboard," he said.

Davis, who had in the Navy for just five months, told the TV station he's disappointed in himself, but believes the Navy's zero-tolerance hazing policy is too harsh.

"I buy into it for drugs and alcohol: that's zero-tolerance," said Davis. "But play wrestling with no malicious intent and for eight people's lives to be destroyed? You've got to be kidding me."

The sailors could have appealed their captain's discharge decision, but none have done so, McKinney said.

The Navy did not release the names of the discharged sailors or the victim.

The action follows recent congressional hearings on hazing in the military, including the case of Lance Cpl. Harry Lew, who shot himself in a foxhole in Afghanistan last year after he was beaten, forced to do repeated pushups and fed mouthfuls of sand.

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Are you all serious?

"A couple of the guys wrestled me down and had fun with me..."

Sounds like latent/suppressed homosexuality; 8 guys ganging up and choking out a guy is nothing more than alpha male gang aggression that says "get on board with us or we will take you out and have our way with you". Maybe that is an example of warrior ethos though in their minds. However, intimidation is no form of team building in any good management book.

Disparity

This really goes beyond the pale. They were discharged? Really? With General discharges? The degree of excess used by the Navy on this incident has cast a pawl on the lives of 8 men. The UCMJ outlines a measured response to offenses for violators. In this case, the Navy literally jumped over many punitive layers of justice to ruin the lives of these young men just to make an example of them. I have never been so ashamed of a branch of the military as I am with the Navy. It has truly lost its way.

Horseplay"

Choking someone until they pass out is beyond horseplay. Would you be as disgusted with the Navy if these buffoons had accidentally killed their shipmate? After all, they weren't intending to kill someone.

Well,

Horseplay leads to sickbay......

Crosses the line

When a person blacks out and seeks medical attention, it crosses the line from 'boys being boys' to being dangerous to a person's health. Calling it 'hazing' was the right call. Discharging those involved though is a bit severe.

If you go to SanDiego's

If you go to SanDiego's channel 10 website, the video of the "incident" is posted-that boy never blacked out and he walked away with no problems.

Need to learn to speak Chinese.

I'm looking to buy a used copy of Rosetta Stone to learn to speak Chinese. I need to learn quickly because we are turning our military WARRIORS into a bunch of pansies (wanted to use another word but figured it would cause the Pilot to delete my comment). Within 10 years, China will be confident enough to attack us and with all of our WARRIORS kicked out because they acted like WARRIORS, we will be defeated quickly. The only people left in the military will be politically correct sissies that will not want to offend the enemy by fighting them. On the bright side, I do like Chinese Food.

Professional

I'd prefer that my military act like professionals. Horse play in the workplace is not something I want my professional military to be doing. After spending tens of thousands of dollars on training, I want them to be professionals. Choking horse play doesn't fit that expectation.

From the article

"...which took place Jan. 17 in the ship's berthing area..."

This is equal to taking place at their home, not the workplace. Would you get fired for similar actions with co-workers at your home after work?

Warriors?

If these individuals or their leaders believe that it is necessary to humiliate and cause harm to members of an all volunteer force in order to get buy in, maybe we need to do away with the all volunteer force. As it is, they are not warriors, they are barbarians. They have no right to claim any level of moral superiority when they violate the rules of their superiors and ignore the mores of the society they serve.

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