Marvin Knight Jr. paid $50 for a loaded .25-caliber handgun.
Last July, when he was 17, he used it to kill Chesapeake football standout Lonnie Andrews Jr.
For South Hampton Roads teens like Knight, getting a gun is as easy as making a phone call or sending an e-mail.
It took just $70 for a young person to buy a .32-caliber revolver from "some guy" at a Portsmouth gym. In Suffolk, gang members share handguns hidden under bushes and beneath houses, taking them and returning them like spare pennies at a convenience store.
Weapons pilfered by teens and adults from homes in neighboring Gates County, N.C., last year filtered back to southeastern Virginia within months on the black market.
In Virginia, it's against the law for anyone under 18 to buy a gun or to possess a handgun or "assault" firearm in public unless they're hunting or carrying out duties in the armed forces. It's also illegal for juveniles to possess any gun on school property, unless it's an unloaded rifle or shotgun that's in a closed case or on a vehicle's firearms rack.
But authorities say guns are widely available to youngsters. That has turned teenage disputes into crime scenes time and time again, and has ratcheted up the violence in felonies committed by juveniles - particularly robberies.
Alonzo Ricks, who was 16 in 2007 when he was charged with possessing a gun on school property in Norfolk, says his was a fashion statement.
"It was like you ain't nobody if you ain't got one."
Law enforcement officers say most guns owned by teens were either obtained on the streets or stolen somewhere along the way. Their options are plentiful.
Roshaun Griffin chose the house on Mango Drive because the window was open.
On a winter day in 2007, the 18-year-old Virginia Beach high school senior slipped inside. He took two handguns, a .40-caliber Ruger and a Smith & Wesson from a toolbox and a table.
Within days, Griffin lent the Ruger to a friend at a party. The police showed up after the friend fired it several times in the air.
Griffin was arrested, but not before he threw the Smith & Wesson in a lake.
Most stolen guns are never returned to their owners. In 2008, Virginians lost more than $3 million worth of guns to thefts, according to State Police. Guns worth $494,825 were recovered - just 16 percent.
Police have accounted for about half of the guns stolen in a string of Gates County, N.C., burglaries.
Between April and October of last year, burglars, some of them teens, stole 41 guns from nine people, according to court files.
Federal agents ultimately caught an 18-year-old trying to sell some of them to a confidential informant in Suffolk.
Several of the weapons are still out there, including a handgun that shoots .454 Casull ammunition, which is "big enough to bring down a grizzly bear with one shot," Sheriff Edward E. Webb said.
Because people aren't required to report missing guns to police, law enforcement officers say it's hard to know exactly how many disappear each year.
They also aren't sure what proportion of firearm thefts are by teens. But in fiscal year 2008, authorities counted 175 arrests of Virginia juveniles for stealing firearms or receiving stolen guns, according to numbers from the state Department of Juvenile Justice.
In the early 2000s, children as young as 10 broke into gun shops in Suffolk and Carrollton and took dozens of firearms.
More often, teens take weapons from family members or friends or as part of a larger haul from a burglary.
In 2008, 17-year-old Wilbert Ackiss broke into a house in a Virginia Beach neighborhood and made off with a laptop, an Xbox 360 and five guns, including a 12-gauge shotgun.
Some teenagers have sought out homes where gun owners likely resided.
Sheriff Webb said the Gates County victims were identified by trucks parked in front of houses. The suspects looked for dog boxes on the truck bed and hunting caps on the dashboard, he said.
Young sailors in South Hampton Roads also can be marks, said Christopher Scott, a special agent with the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
They tend to have guns for personal use that they leave with friends or in a car, Scott said. Distance makes it easy for sailors to lose track of their guns, whether strangers steal them or acquaintances pass them around.
"That happens constantly," the special agent said. "We interviewed somebody, 'Hey, where's your gun? We just recovered it at a crime.'
" 'Oh, I don't know. I just left it.' "
In the loose street network, a gun supplier may be a stranger or a friend, a fellow gang member or an acquaintance without a known last name.
Sometimes someone hears that a teen is looking for a gun, and calls the young person with a prospective sale. Others describe people approaching them in their neighborhoods looking to buy one.
Davieon Riden said he bought his first gun for $50 or $60 - money he earned from an off-the-books job detailing cars. He was 12. By 17, he claimed he'd amassed a cache of weapons, including a $400 Ruger pistol. He paid $100 for most.
Riden, who is now serving a 30-year prison sentence for several armed robberies in Chesapeake in 2006, won't go into detail about how he got the guns. Most young people don't.
They describe discovering weapons in parking lots, bushes or fields behind schools - accounts that authorities find dubious.
Knight told police he got his gun from a friend a week before he used it to shoot Andrews during a fist fight.
"Who's your friend?" the officer asked in a recorded telephone conversation last July.
"Well he's, well, he's in jail now, but... " Knight trailed off.
Federal agents see the network in action when they try to make controlled purchases of guns on the street, Scott said.
"That person makes 10 calls and by the end of the day, they'll have one or two," he said. "Who knows where they got it. By then we're 10 places removed from the actual source of the gun."
Portsmouth police captured a firearms transaction on a gang member's MySpace page in June 2008.
As documented in the search warrant affidavit, Anthony Graham, then 17, tells an unidentified person that he had stolen a .45-caliber handgun, then traded it for a 9 mm handgun. He also says he has a "deuce deuce," slang for a .22-caliber handgun.
Asked how much he wants for the .22, Graham requests $60: "But if you want it you gotta Buy it Before wednesday cKuz leslie Buyin it wednesday," [sic] he typed.
Teens who can't afford or find a gun sometimes share.
They snatch these so-called community guns from hiding places - a water meter box, a storm drain, a wooden shed where a leaning board marks the spot, said Suffolk police Sgt. Danny Buie.
The guns are kept in convenient but careful locations, he said, so they are easy to retrieve but difficult for police to discover.
In February, Douglas V. Smith told Portsmouth police that he loaned his .32-caliber revolver out to members of the Oaks Mob gang.
He said his friends gave him money when they used it for "stings" - their term for robberies.
Smith, who recently turned 18, is awaiting trial on robbery and weapons charges.
At 14, Alonzo Ricks wanted an AK-47.
He'd seen it in movies, television shows and the first-person shooter video game "Black." He liked the way it looked and the way it shot.
"It just fascinated me," Ricks said.
Instead, he ended up with a wooden-handled Deutsche Werke semi-automatic handgun.
That was the weapon police caught him with on Norfolk's Norview Middle School campus in October 2007. Ricks, now 18, is serving a 25-year prison sentence on charges related to that incident and a carjacking.
Most teens with guns live Ricks' reality rather than his dream, federal agents said.
They seek small guns that they can hide easily in a sleeve, a jacket, the waistband of their pants. They realize that shotguns are better concealed when sawed-off.
Agents with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives trace guns used in crimes back to their original buyers.
They said the most popular firearms with local teens linked to crimes include: Hi-Point 9 mm, Ruger 9 mm, Smith & Wesson .40-caliber, Hi-Point 380 ACP.
Young people usually want something cheap. "Whatever they can get their hands on," Special Agent James Liscinsky said.
But they are getting expensive guns, too, said Chesapeake police Chief Kelvin Wright.
His officers, who recovered 13 firearms from juveniles last year, are seeing young people with "high-dollar and high-capacity" weapons. It's a marked change from the "true Saturday night specials" of years ago, he said.
A person must be at least 21 to legally purchase a pistol, and must be 18 to lawfully buy a rifle or shotgun.
Laws generally prohibit anyone from buying handguns for minors under 18, but there are exceptions. Federal regulations allow juveniles to receive handguns as gifts from a parent or guardian, and they are permitted to possess the gun with written permission for limited purposes, such as target practice or hunting.
Virginia law allows an adult to give a handgun to a minor if the transfer is made between family members or is for a sporting event.
In recent years, however, South Hampton Roads authorities have rarely pursued violations of those laws in state court, according to a data analysis by The Virginian-Pilot.
As in cases where adults supply children with alcohol, neither party is likely to file a complaint.
Also, the state law says the supplier should have had "good cause" to believe the recipient was a minor, such as their grade in school. That can be hard to prove because private firearms sales are unregulated, and sellers aren't required to ask for identification.
Catching teens with guns is hardly easier - unless they draw the weapon in public or discharge it, committing a crime more serious than simply possessing a firearm illegally.
Because teens know the laws, they tend to be careful about showing off their weapons.
Sometimes, they keep the secret from their friends. They almost always try to conceal it from their parents, hiding guns in cars, closets, heating vents, "cuts" in the yard.
Ricks said he doesn't know how authorities could make firearms less attractive to teens - too many have them already.
Most say they need a gun for protection. As Ricks said, "It's more dangerous when you don't have one."
Pilot writers Janie Bryant and Shawn Day contributed to this report.
Amy Jeter, (757) 446-2730, amy.jeter@pilotonline.com
Kristin Davis, (757) 222-5208, kristin.davis@pilotonline.com







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"get a gun safe"
"Get a gun safe"? From what I've read the majority of gun advocates don't want a gun safe, they don't want laws that will protect children from guns they are just un-yielding regarding any gun control. I find it very sad!
I'd call myself a "gun
I'd call myself a "gun advocate" and I certainly have a safe. I've got a lot of money tied up in firearms and I own a few registered NFA items as well. I'd be upset if any were stolen, especially if used in a crime. The reason we don't want "laws to protect children from guns" is because there are already child neglect and reckless endangerment laws that can be enforced. We don't need new laws for every situation, often existing law will do if enforced.
cheap guns
Geeez! Get a damn gunsafe if you own a gun for cryin out loud. There's no excuse anymore. I'm a life member of the NRA. The state of the state is what it is, you have to keep them locked up or on your person. The quick opening finger combo and biometric safes make fast access available. Its just the right thing to do when you choose to own a weapon!
i believe
I believe the day will come when so called gun advocates will be standing in the streets having shoot outs with juveniles who have posession of a gun. I believe if there isn't more control on guns, the rate of our kids being killed will rise to a percentage that most of us don't want to see. I beleive our kids are worth more that they are getting.
And I belive until the day comes when parents are held accountable for their kids the rate of killings will continue to rise.
Well Len, perhaps it does in
Well Len, perhaps it does in some cases. I do agree with some of their (ALCU) positions on things and others I do not. I look at everything on a case by case basis. I don't always follow the party line. The 'D's and 'R's are 2 wings on the same bird. The 'D's will tell you they are going to "if I had the votes I'd take 'em all" (quote from Sen. Diane Feinstein about guns) whereas the 'R's give you an excuse of why they couldn't stop it. Virtually no difference these days. And Yes I am pessimistic about the future of America. We may live better than probably 90% of the world, but I believe that will be short lived. I believe in the next ten years (if our fiat money survives that long) we will a socialist nation on par with the former Soviet Union. Government owns car companies, insurance cocmpanies, banks, and coming soon to your suburb, YOU, with their owning your health care.
Actually, Keith, if stand up to assert your constitutional
rights, that puts you in league with the ACLU.
And the last administration probably did put you on some kind of a list.
You seem kind of pessimistic about the future of America. And you may be right. We have sustained a lot of damage over the last decade, militarily, economically and psychologically.
But we have come through worse. And we usually come out stronger, though the casualty list is often quite long and sad.
But we still live a lot better than probably 90% of the world, and that is really pretty exclusive.
Len
Well, in reference to the different opinion, you're right on target (pun intended) on that. I haven't missed the point of registration at all. I believe your logic is flawed. Anytime government inserts itself with these laws of emotion, they end up being abused. I'll use The Patriot Act as a good example. Law of emotion. Don't read it, just vote for it. Barry can only be in office for no more than 8 years. You get another GWB after him. I am not a member of the NRA, GOA, or any other pro gun group. I am a free thinker and have lost faith in my government to protect my rights. If I stand up for The Constitution and Bill of Rights and assert those rights, I am put on a subversive list as a domestic terrorist. The main reason for The 2nd Amendment was for people to protect themselves against tyranny not mainly to hunt deer. I believe it will get worse with the nationalization of everything. Once our country is flat broke 'again', then I believe the potential exists as what happened in New Orleans in 2005. You just may be the only one Len.
Really, only 8 years of Obama?
You have a lot of faith in a government you don't trust to protect your rights. I'm sure that the gun registration would just be the first step in electing Obama Supreme Chancellor and Dictator for Life. Thankfully, gun owners who gave up their weapons to local government without much of a fight (at least until it got into court) will stand up and prevent this awful eventuality. Oh, and the closest thing the GOP had to another GWB just resigned from Alaska, so I doubt will have another one like that for awhile.
Well, you never know. When
Well, you never know. When you give power to The Executive Branch of Government because you think he's a nice guy, or because he is black or because she's a woman, that's voting on emotions and feelings, rather than what they stand for. Power goes to their heads. We had 8 years of King George The Bush. We may get 8 years of Barry The Messiah. Either way, I have very little faith.
I have more faith after "King George The Bush"
I think his "reign" proves in the greatest degree so far in our nation's history that our country's system is highly resistant to one extreme ideology controlling the nation too long for democracy to change back to the center. From the criticisms of "Barry the Messiah" from both the Dems and the GOP, it appears to me that he is governing much more from the center than the Dems would like, especially now that they have 60 votes in their caucus. I think it's time more people had more faith in their own ability to affect positive change in our nation, and I think that faith starts at the bottom. Remember, the government is still just made up of ordinary citizens like you and me.
Ordinary citizens like me?
I hardly think so. The U. S. Senate is often referred to as "The Millionaires Club". In the House there may be a few "ordinary citizens", but the bulk are attorneys who are in most circles considered "rich or very wealthy". There are attorneys that write bills for attorneys that are House and Senate members that they don't read, or never have an opportunity to read before they vote. However, I still find it hard to believe that "ordinary citizens" continue to put up with this crap.
Just in case you forgot...
The President started out with little money in his family. I think I read his mother was on welfare for a period of time. Sen. McCain came from a military family,(though he later married into a wealthy family). Sen. Warner invested in Nextel, making him very wealthy. Sen. Webb served in the Marines, then was SecNav, and made money writing and making films. The point is, there are plenty of examples of Senators who started out as "ordinary" but through hard work and service earned the respect of enough people to become Senators. I don't think you'd want a Senator who started out as "ordinary" but never accomplished anything to distinguish them from being anything but "ordinary", would you?
That's 4 out of 100. But you
That's 4 out of 100. But you forget the Hillary Clintons, The John Rockefellers, Senator John Kerry, Senator Edward (Chapiquidick) Kennedy, and the former Senators John Edwards and Albert (global warming) Gore. Far from ordinary.
keith, I guess because I have a different opinion
than you about responsibility of gun ownership you will always think I want guns banned.
I can't help with that.
But you seem to miss the point of registration. Most guns are not the product of the black market now. They are bought in states that have lax laws and sold in areas of criminal demand.
If there was registration, then the gun could be traced to the last legal owner who would have to explain how that gun became a criminal weapon.
That would eventually dry up at least that market.
However, you might have scored some points with your NRA fans by opposing any thoughtful compromise, and therein lies the problem we have.
And I hope that some day you have more faith in our country than a direct comparison to Hitler's Germany. I think we are better than that.
But maybe I am the only one.
Len, you are not the only one
I too think we are better than Hitler's Germany. People have lost faith in our government almost since its inception, so I don't worry too much that the American way is doomed. I feel much more optimistic about our chances to improve our nation than in anyone's ability to destroy it. I know people argue that gun registration wouldn't solve any crimes, but I never thought that was the point. Besides, from the number of guns that are stolen, if I was a gun owner I'd want my gun registered to help return it to me if someone stole it from under my pillow (or wherever paranoid gun-owners keep them these days).
Len writes "Gun registration
Len writes "Gun registration will not affect your ability to buy and carry as many weapons as you want. But it can help remove them, by attrition over time, from those who would do us harm."
So Len, in the first place, registration makes gun ownership a privilege, vice the RIGHT that it is now. Second, criminals, felons, and those who are out to knock over a Seven Eleven are NOT going to register firearms. It's like requiring a heroin dealer to file a 1040 form every year to pay taxes on his profits. Now you will have a black market even worse than you have now. I stand by my case there is a much greater likelihood that a thug that threatens me with a weapon will meet his match if I am armed with a 9MM vice a squirt gun. As for your local government, it is probably OK.....for now. Only time will tell. Registration leads to easy confiscation. History already has repeated itself. Poland 1938 and New Orleans in 2005. And no you didn't say you were against gun ownership, but I don't think you wouldn't be heartbroken if they were banned by law abiding citizens.
Registration leads to confiscation?
Keith, see my earlier posts, but I don't think Louisiana has or ever had any form of gun registration, and the government still illegally took away legal firearms from citizens. I am happy that it seems under President Obama, we still seem to have the right to own firearms, unlike under the President during Hurricane Katrina, who allowed those guns to be confiscated. I am sure that all NRA members, 2nd Amendment proponents and all law-abiding citizens are pleased he is no longer in office. I'm not sure about Poland in 1938, I'm guessing you somehow came to the conclusion that the German Law requiring gun registration in Germany made it easier for the Germans to confiscate guns from gun owners Poland in 1939. I'm not sure how exactly that works, but if I am misreading your example, I am willing to hear you explain it more fully. By the by, don't we have to register our cars with the government? Does that mean I should be afraid the tyrannical socialist government is going to find me and confiscate my car? Or what about voting? That's in the Bill of Rights too, it's in the 1st Amendment actually. Should I be fearful that the government is going to confiscate my right to vote
amgontarz
Well, I was by no means a fan of GWB and I was happy to see him leave office. It is my understanding that he would sign bills into law and then exempt himself from the very law. What happened in New Orleans was done by local officials, but it is still government. In answer to your other question about registering your car is that driving is a PRIVILEGE therefore requiring permission or a license to do so. Hence government can confiscate your car and forbid you from driving. There is a big difference between a RIGHT and a PRIVILEGE isn't there. You don't have to ask permission to exercise your 1st, 4th or 5th Amendment right do you? Whay should you have to do the same for The 2nd? The 2nd Amendment (in my humble opinion) was written to enable the citizenry to protect it's people from tyranny, not just to go out and shoot the evening meal. As for 1939, well, it is my understanding that these people in Poland who had firearms had to register them. When Hitler's thugs invaded, they pretty much knew who had them who didn't. Do you really believe your vote counts?
I think you are confused about a few things
Poland was invaded by the Germany, and the Polish army had no chance not because Germany confiscated weapons from the Poles, but because they were technically and tactically superior to the Polish defense forces. I agree that what happened in New Orleans was done by local officials, which begs the question if guns can be confiscated that easily by local officials without a gun registry, how easy would it be for the federal government to do it with or without one? What's the point of having an armed citizenry that can't even protect themselves from a local corrupt sheriff? As for cars, I wouldn't drive 20 ft here if Virginia didn't require a license to drive. And yes I still think my vote counts, just as much as anyone else’s.
Crime and punishment
We have a higher homicide rate than other industrialized countries.
We also incarcerate about 1/4 of the world's prison population, at a rate of about 750/100,000. The other nations are below 200/100,000, most well below (India 39/100,000).
Our sentences are longer, in many cases, much longer.
With the exception of countries like Yemen, Nigeria, Congo, Iran, China, etc., we are the only other country that executes convicts who were juveniles at the time of their crime.
We need to look for solutions because we cannot afford to keep jailing at this rate and our laws are already the toughest in the industrialized west.
Evidently, locking them up and throwing away the key is not working. Nor is execution.
It is time to take a long hard look at ourselves. We can't just be bad people. Are we too hard headed to make effective cultural changes that will help keep people law abiding?