Officials fear tolls could isolate South Hampton Roads

Posted to: News Norfolk Traffic - Transportation

A map of Hampton Roads that depicts a ring of fire engulfing the region has made its rounds at city halls and in the community.

The ring is connected by a series of new toll roads, bridges and tunnels that have been proposed to improve movement in and out of the area, which is increasingly getting choked with traffic. The map showing the possible tolls was created by city of Norfolk staff.

With a price tag on almost every major entry and exit point, many local leaders fear South Hampton Roads could become isolated, threatening the region's vitality.

"The dynamics of all that are worrisome," Norfolk Mayor Paul Fraim said. "What does it mean for our economy? Has anybody thought through all this?"

"With the backlog of transportation projects we have, we're all anxious to move forward," said Barry Bishop, executive vice president of the Greater Norfolk Corp., which works to enhance economic activity in the region. "But here's the rub - we need these projects to move forward, but not at any cost.

"We need to be careful as we try to cure the disease, we don't kill the patient."

All the toll roads would be operated by private companies. The proposed rates:

- $4-$6 on an expanded Hampton Roads Bridge-Tunnel as well as on the Monitor-Merrimac Memorial Bridge-Tunnel and the James River Bridge;

- $2.17 on an expanded Midtown Tunnel as well as on the Downtown Tunnel;

- Up to $1.07 on the Martin Luther King Freeway extension in Portsmouth;

- $5.50-$11 on an interstate-quality U.S. 460 between Suffolk and Petersburg;

- $2 on the rebuilt Jordan Bridge in Chesapeake.

Tolls are already collected on the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel, the Chesapeake Expressway and the Coleman Bridge between Yorktown and Gloucester Point.

The new toll levels are all worst-case scenarios with no state or federal contributions.

"My greatest concern is that it would appear that tolls of these levels would defeat our purpose for these projects - a lot of people won't be making these trips," said Dwight Farmer, executive director of the Hampton Roads Transportation Planning Organization. "That being said, I don't think the policymakers would move forward on projects that require a toll level that would defeat our purpose."

Indeed, there will be revenue analyses to gauge toll sensitivities, Virginia Transportation Secretary Sean Connaughton said.

"We are very aware of the fact that tolls cannot be such as they limit mobility and economic vitality, not just on a project-by-project basis but on a regional basis," he said.

Connaughton said many of these proposals are early in the review and approval process, so the actual project scopes and financial plans are not set. Even so, he said, "The state will participate in all these projects. The question is to what level."

Connaughton said Gov. Bob McDonnell will be rolling out transportation funding strategies over the next few weeks that will have "direct positive impact for projects contemplated for Hampton Roads."

The state highway budget has dipped 22 percent since 2008, mostly because of dwindling gas tax revenues.

One thing most officials agree on is that tolls will have to be a component of most major transportation projects going forward. A debate swirls around whether to knock down toll levels by raising money from other sources such as by increasing the gas tax or vehicle registration and other transportation-related fees.

"The private sector has recognized tolls are part of the solution, not the sole solution," Bishop said.

Bill Jackson, chairman of RJR Elite Trucking Co. and president of the Tidewater Motor Truck Association, said his industry does not care how the projects are funded, just that they're built. Congestion not only adds to travel time costs but also increased crashes and other costly hazards.

"Whether it's tolls, or fuel tax, or sales tax, the piper has to be paid," he said.

Whichever method is chosen, Jackson said, trucking companies cannot absorb the costs but instead will pass them on to consumers through higher-priced goods and services. That's already happening to some extent with congestion costing truckers extra time on the road, he added.

And that's exactly what economists have warned.

"Whether you pay the cost of sitting in a traffic jam or you pay the cost of tolls or higher taxes, one way or another you're going to pay," said James Koch, an economist and former president of Old Dominion University. "There are costs attached to doing nothing."

Koch said "reasonably modest" tolls, similar to what is proposed at the Midtown Tunnel, would likely be beneficial because of the gains in mobility from the road improvement.

Tolls as high as the ones proposed for the Hampton Roads Bridge-Tunnel, however, "would probably choke off commerce," he said, adding that adjustments would be made in the long term, such as moving closer to work and using transit or carpools.

"The real questions of equity and who should pay - this is knotty," Koch said.

Joe Harris, Virginia Port Authority spokesman, said, "I don't know what's the right funding solution, but from a port perspective and a commuter perspective, something has to be done soon because there will be a come-to-Jesus moment in 10 to 15 years when we run out of space on the roadways."

The transportation planning organization has predicted that congestion will more than double over the next 20 years, clogging nearly a third of the main roads, even if every project in the region's long-range plan is built.

"The last thing we want as a port is to have a reputation as being congested," Harris said. "The ripple effect is huge if customers start taking their business elsewhere."

Bishop said the community needs to start having conversations about the options and their implications. Fraim has suggested creating tolling studies or even a toll authority in which collected revenues are shared among tolled facilities.

"We need to be careful that conversation doesn't become an excuse to do nothing," Bishop said. "Doing nothing - that's not an option."

Debbie Messina, (757) 446-2588, debbie.messina@pilotonline.com

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Tolls, eh?

It really was only a matter a time before we saw the tollbooths going back up in the area.I remember the tolls on 44, the Midtown and the Downtown tunnels and the back-ups from traffic were memorable to say the least. It seems to me that the City leaders from all of the cities are out of touch; seems to me they think is a smaller version of the NYC area or Boston and we are none of those. The proposed costs for tolls in the Hampton Roads area would cripple the region, simply put we don't have the pay scales these bigger cities have to afford these tolls.
I still believe that a new interstate/ turnpike should be built linking 664 into I95 south of Richmond to ease the traffic off 64.

Lets try enforcing the law before we put tolls everywhere

I think that if we actually enforce the law on the tunnel, it will pay for its self. I can't begin to count how many times the speed limit was reduced on the bridge and people still flew past me at 65+ mph. Or when they shut a lane down and people still drove it that lane. I'm pretty sure a red light means STOP, whether its at an intersection or a bridge. We could even double the fine like we do in work zones. This would encourage people to drive safely and respectfully. For the ones that can't drive like they have any sense, they can pay to widen and repair the tunnels.

Personal Issue: Interstate 64 goes from a width of about 10.5 FT per lane to about 10.5 FT in the tunnel. WHY DO PEOPLE SLOW DOWN?!

Is Gas Tax Still Such a Poisonous Pill?

With long lines at toll booths, with a toll system letting some lucky commuters off the hook, with 15% overhead for toll collection, with 100% of gas tax going into roads, with every state surrounding Virginia charging a state gas tax 2.5 to 9.1 cents more per gallon, and with the spineless VA state legislature reticent to pass comparable gas tax to at least match surrounding neighbors….well, what more can I say? Oh yes, our conservative pay-as-you-go Republican governor wants to put the state in debt $4 billion to pay for highway construction. Can we not come to our senses sometime soon?

Nice plan

Put tolls on all the emergency exit routes for evacuating Southside. Anyone living around here during a hurricane can tell you how bad the roads clog. Can't wait to have to pay to evacuate! NOT!!!

Change in venue

The shipyard is still a major employer, the commute patterns show that many folks in Virginia Beach work on the Peninsula and some of those people will end up moving - home values on the Peninsula will rise, those on the Southside will fall. "Regional" performance venues in Norfolk will be hurt - ones on the Peninsula will benefit. Places like the Chrysler, Virginia Opera, The Naro, VB Amphitheatre, Nauticus - these places will lose Peninsula patrons who will be forced to add tolls onto their ticket costs for attending events on the Southside. Adding the tolls without improving the tunnels will really increase separation.

JRB toll is not right

I thought about the proposed toll as I crossed the JRB to southside this afternoon with no slowdowns or backups at all which is the case most of the time. Hasn't the new JRB already been paid for by tolls there in the past, and was every other crossing outrageously tolled to pay for it? I doubt it. If they cant use a gas tax to pay for all these problems, why not just toll the crossings that get more lanes. How about adding some commuter park and ride lots near the crossings to encourage carpooling. I know if I had a convenient place to leave my car I could more easily set up some carpooling arrangements with my coworkers.

Blood from a Stone

So far we have:
1. frozen federal wages
2. Increased Tricare Payments
3. No tax cuts
4. a JFCOM closing
and higher tolls

It appears that every initiative to fix the budget seems to involve taking money away from my family. HEre's the thing -- once you take away our jobs, our pay raises, raise our health care taxes, raise our commuting costs to work and raise our taxes, there's really nothing left.

Might as well stay home and collect that big fat unemployment check for two years or whatever it is now. Let somebody else wake up early, pay taxes and tolls to go to work while I sleep in.

STOP TAXING THE ONLY REMAINING PRODUCTIVE MEMBERS OF SOCIETY!

When are all you lightrail supporters going to pipe in?

Someone will eventually say this is why the light-rail should go all the way to the ocean front. That this will give people the option of not driving and paying these proposed (and idiotic) tolls.

That by extending it and giving more people access to it and those who begin riding the light-rail that it will reduce the wear and tear and therefore the cost of maintaining the roads.

You know what a good idea would be? For the state to open an account somewhere and let people donate money for road improvements. This way all these whiny people can put their money where their mouth is. Instead of threatening us with an increase in the gas tax or with tolls people can WILLINGLY give their hard earned cash if they want to.

Here's a radical idea...

Any "NEW" bridge, tunnel or expressway built in the area can and should have a reasonable toll put in place to pay for it. Any existing bridge, tunnel or expressway will not have a toll. If I'm in a hurry - don't mind paying. Chesapeake Expressway is a great example to go by. A new parallel HRBT with a toll would be used by alot by those folks coming from the Northeast traveling to the OBX during the summer. A new HRBT would get paid for in no time. Between a choice of sitting in traffic for hours or paying a toll to get where I want to go? Give me the NEW road and I'll pay the toll! Anyone trying to impose tolls on existing roads, tunnels or bridges will not get my support.

Tolls!

VDOT can't spent the TAX MONEY they recieve from us in a responsible manner right now, and they want MORE? Toll plazas are the source of MANY Fatal accidents as well. Hey VP, do a story on that. Just off the top of my head I can think of at least 5-10 fatalities at the old toll plaza on Rt.264/old Rt. 44 in VB.

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